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Old 07-30-2010, 02:42 PM
"Paul W. Frields"
 
Default Help with talking points

Ryan Rix issued a call for talking points here (and elsewhere):
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2010-July/013289.html

The feature list is somewhat devoid of user-centric features. We know
that GNOME 3.0 will not be part of the Fedora 14 release, since it's
been deferred until March 2011. I would guess that there will be a
separate GNOME 2.32, and that although it may not contain an enormous
slew of new user-centric features, it will have some significant
improvements and changes.

Can anyone summarize some of those for the list, or point us to a URL?

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Old 08-03-2010, 08:56 PM
"Paul W. Frields"
 
Default Help with talking points

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:42:52AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> Ryan Rix issued a call for talking points here (and elsewhere):
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2010-July/013289.html
>
> The feature list is somewhat devoid of user-centric features. We know
> that GNOME 3.0 will not be part of the Fedora 14 release, since it's
> been deferred until March 2011. I would guess that there will be a
> separate GNOME 2.32, and that although it may not contain an enormous
> slew of new user-centric features, it will have some significant
> improvements and changes.
>
> Can anyone summarize some of those for the list, or point us to a URL?

Ping...

We want to include some shiny desktop features in our release media
for Fedora 14, but we need the Desktop SIG's help to point people to
what's coming.

We know that GNOME 3's timeline has moved out to a release in March
2011. Is there a 2.32, or a 2.30 refresh, planned for September that
will incoprorate any new user-visible changes or improvements to which
we could point?


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Old 08-03-2010, 11:21 PM
Bastien Nocera
 
Default Help with talking points

On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 16:56 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:42:52AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> > Ryan Rix issued a call for talking points here (and elsewhere):
> > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2010-July/013289.html
> >
> > The feature list is somewhat devoid of user-centric features. We know
> > that GNOME 3.0 will not be part of the Fedora 14 release, since it's
> > been deferred until March 2011. I would guess that there will be a
> > separate GNOME 2.32, and that although it may not contain an enormous
> > slew of new user-centric features, it will have some significant
> > improvements and changes.
> >
> > Can anyone summarize some of those for the list, or point us to a URL?
>
> Ping...
>
> We want to include some shiny desktop features in our release media
> for Fedora 14, but we need the Desktop SIG's help to point people to
> what's coming.
>
> We know that GNOME 3's timeline has moved out to a release in March
> 2011. Is there a 2.32, or a 2.30 refresh, planned for September that
> will incoprorate any new user-visible changes or improvements to which
> we could point?

As discussed on this very list, it'll be 2.32. Don't expect big changes
though, most were mooted for a 3.0 release, and we've only seen the
first few 2.32 pre-releases, most of which were branched from 2.30 bug
fix branches.

Not great for features...

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Old 08-05-2010, 03:25 PM
Gianluca Sforna
 
Default Help with talking points

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster@gmail.com> wrote:
> We know that GNOME 3's timeline has moved out to a release in March
> 2011. *Is there a 2.32, or a 2.30 refresh, planned for September that
> will incoprorate any new user-visible changes or improvements to which
> we could point?

What about reviewing talking points and features from older releases
and determine if something got improved lately?

Some examples just coming to mind: drivers for ATI/Nvidia cards, 3D
acceleration and/or compositing, power management, user account dialog

Additionally, IIRC webM was released just after F13 come out; will
Firefox in F14 be able to play youtube without flash?

just my 0.02

G.

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Old 08-05-2010, 03:58 PM
Bastien Nocera
 
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On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 17:25 +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster@gmail.com> wrote:
> > We know that GNOME 3's timeline has moved out to a release in March
> > 2011. Is there a 2.32, or a 2.30 refresh, planned for September that
> > will incoprorate any new user-visible changes or improvements to which
> > we could point?
>
> What about reviewing talking points and features from older releases
> and determine if something got improved lately?
>
> Some examples just coming to mind: drivers for ATI/Nvidia cards, 3D
> acceleration and/or compositing, power management, user account dialog
>
> Additionally, IIRC webM was released just after F13 come out; will
> Firefox in F14 be able to play youtube without flash?

Totem will have YouTube webM support, though we need to do a bit of work
there still.

I think it's best to wait until GNOME 2.31.6 settles down before working
on the features list.

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Old 08-05-2010, 04:44 PM
Martin Sourada
 
Default Help with talking points

On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 16:58 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 17:25 +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
> > Additionally, IIRC webM was released just after F13 come out; will
> > Firefox in F14 be able to play youtube without flash?
>
> Totem will have YouTube webM support, though we need to do a bit of work
> there still.
>
Note that webkitgtk based browsers also support WebM (since
webkitgtk-1.2.0), although none of them is installed in Desktop spin
(maybe midori is in xfce spin, but not sure about that).

Also to answer the original question about new firefox -- there were a
longish flamy thread in -devel asking about this and it seems F14 won't
have firefox with WebM support.

> I think it's best to wait until GNOME 2.31.6 settles down before working
> on the features list.
>
I saw some nice features at live.gnome.org at various project pages
targeting 2.32 (like evolution express mode improvements, IMAP multiple
connections, pdf multimedia in evince, ...) but I'm not sure which of
those will actually be implemented... As you say, it's probably best to
wait till 2.31.6 settles down...

Regards,
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Old 08-05-2010, 10:18 PM
Gianluca Sforna
 
Default Help with talking points

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Gianluca Sforna <giallu@gmail.com> wrote:
> Some examples just coming to mind: drivers for ATI/Nvidia cards, 3D
> acceleration and/or compositing, power management, user account dialog
>
> Additionally, IIRC webM was released just after F13 come out; will
> Firefox in F14 be able to play youtube without flash?
>

More user visible things to check about current status: multi touch,
hybrid graphic support

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Old 08-05-2010, 10:27 PM
Adam Williamson
 
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On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 00:18 +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Gianluca Sforna <giallu@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Some examples just coming to mind: drivers for ATI/Nvidia cards, 3D
> > acceleration and/or compositing, power management, user account dialog
> >
> > Additionally, IIRC webM was released just after F13 come out; will
> > Firefox in F14 be able to play youtube without flash?
> >
>
> More user visible things to check about current status: multi touch,

I don't think this is going to be user visible until GTK+ / Qt get
support, and that's not likely for F14 (especially since we're not
taking GTK+ 3).

> hybrid graphic support

Doesn't seem to be going anywhere fast; the X guys haven't even fixed my
hybrid laptop so that *either* of its two adapters work, yet, let alone
made them both work together.
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Old 08-07-2010, 08:28 PM
Gianluca Sforna
 
Default Help with talking points

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We know that GNOME 3's timeline has moved out to a release in March
> 2011. *Is there a 2.32, or a 2.30 refresh, planned for September that
> will incoprorate any new user-visible changes or improvements to which
> we could point?

Ok one more thing, admittedly not earth shattering, I just found out
and probably worth to make sure we include in F14.

Evince annotations to PDFs are (finally) coming:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168304
http://carlosgc.linups.org/gnome/evince-annotations.html

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Old 08-17-2010, 02:15 PM
Gianluca Sforna
 
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On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Adam Williamson <awilliam@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 00:18 +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
>> More user visible things to check about current status: multi touch,
>
> I don't think this is going to be user visible until GTK+ / Qt get
> support, and that's not likely for F14 (especially since we're not
> taking GTK+ 3).

So it seems we are being beaten to "first" here:
http://lwn.net/Articles/400455/


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