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Old 05-06-2010, 03:55 PM
Bastien Nocera
 
Default Droid Sans

On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 09:55 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 14:44 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> > On 04/30/2010 02:41 PM, William Jon McCann wrote:
> > > Hey,
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Behdad Esfahbod <behdad@behdad.org> wrote:
> > >> On 04/29/2010 01:41 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> So, that leaves us with finding a brave fontconfig
> > >>> hacker to get the Japanse<>Droid issue under control, then we have the
> > >>> major technical issues solved.
> > >>
> > >> I'm waiting for Nicolas to speak up. I thought I fixed the Japanese dekstop
> > >> issue, or at least proposed a solution last time he brought it up with me.
> > >
> > > Apparently, he isn't on the list and is very busy with other work.
> > > But he sent me the following message:
> >
> > Can someone tell me again, how exactly does Droid break Japanese desktop?
>
> Jens said in bugzilla that the problem he was seeing with Droid in F12
> seems to be fixed in F13.
>
> So, I would say that we should include Droid in F14 early on (ie now).
> If the mere inclusion still causes problems in some setups, we'll hear
> about it.
>
> Does the shell have any theming mechanisms yet that allow us to make it
> use Droid while staying with Dejavu for 'good old gnome' ?

Do we actually want to enable it just for gnome-shell? Shouldn't the
shell use the same font as the apps?

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Old 05-06-2010, 06:23 PM
William Jon McCann
 
Default Droid Sans

Hi,

On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Bastien Nocera <bnocera@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 09:55 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
>> On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 14:44 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
>> > On 04/30/2010 02:41 PM, William Jon McCann wrote:
>> > > Hey,
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Behdad Esfahbod <behdad@behdad.org> wrote:
>> > >> On 04/29/2010 01:41 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> * * * * * * * * * *So, that leaves us with finding a brave fontconfig
>> > >>> hacker to get the Japanse<>Droid issue under control, then we have the
>> > >>> major technical issues solved.
>> > >>
>> > >> I'm waiting for Nicolas to speak up. *I thought I fixed the Japanese dekstop
>> > >> issue, or at least proposed a solution last time he brought it up with me.
>> > >
>> > > Apparently, he isn't on the list and is very busy with other work.
>> > > But he sent me the following message:
>> >
>> > Can someone tell me again, how exactly does Droid break Japanese desktop?
>>
>> Jens said in bugzilla that the problem he was seeing with Droid in F12
>> seems to be fixed in F13.
>>
>> So, I would say that we should include Droid in F14 early on (ie now).
>> If the mere inclusion still causes problems in some setups, we'll hear
>> about it.
>>
>> Does the shell have any theming mechanisms yet that allow us to make it
>> use Droid while staying with Dejavu for 'good old gnome' ?
>
> Do we actually want to enable it just for gnome-shell? Shouldn't the
> shell use the same font as the apps?

Yeah. In GNOME 3 we only want to have one UI font that covers the
existing Desktop, Application, and Window Title font configurations.
For this our current favorite (of the free and easy category) is Droid
Sans. For the Document font I'm not really sure where we use this
right now but might Liberation Sans be a better default choice for
document text than DejaVu? It was designed to closely match the
details of another popular document font - in fact iirc by the same
designer/hinter as Droid.

For fixed width I have seen some objections to using Droid mono - I
wonder if we can get these comments to the upstream folks somehow.

Jon
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Old 05-07-2010, 05:35 AM
Nicu Buculei
 
Default Droid Sans

On 05/06/2010 09:23 PM, William Jon McCann wrote:
>
> Yeah. In GNOME 3 we only want to have one UI font that covers the
> existing Desktop, Application, and Window Title font configurations.
> For this our current favorite (of the free and easy category) is Droid
> Sans. For the Document font I'm not really sure where we use this
> right now but might Liberation Sans be a better default choice for
> document text than DejaVu? It was designed to closely match the
> details of another popular document font - in fact iirc by the same
> designer/hinter as Droid.

From my point of view, Liberation is a poor default choice for document
text since it lacks some important glyphs for East European languages
(https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440992), here DejaVu is the
*only* option.

In the mean time I looked closely at Droid Sans, and neither it has full
coverage, missing just one important (for Romanian language) glyph, "ț".

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Old 05-07-2010, 10:52 PM
Adam Williamson
 
Default Droid Sans

On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 16:01 -0400, William Jon McCann wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I think we want to consider switching to Droid Sans for the default
> font. At the very least I want it included on the install/live media.
> What do we need to do to make this happen?
>
> I seem to recall there were some technical reasons why we weren't able
> to make this happen for F12.

So I thought I'd try Droid Sans, after this thread, and the exclamation
points look really weird.

Here's some free ones:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they look very odd, with Droid Sans set as the font. At least on this
F13 system. 11 point size, subpixel rendering.
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Old 05-09-2010, 05:13 AM
Hristo Petkov
 
Default Droid Sans

Hi,
I installed Droid Sans on F11 (not on the Desktop, but in the TTFs of OpenOffice).
You may add Droid Sans to the repository list of F11, if you wish. (to improve the vertical compatibility of the Distros).

RE: The Desktop
I don't see any reasonable ground to replace Deja Vu Sans with Droid Sans on the Desktop menu - this 'font space problem' could be fixed within the Deja Vu Sans itself. Anyway.

RE: The name of F14
A proposal - to remove the digits of the Distros, or at least to 'amend' the numbering.

As a user I interpret this in the following fearful way: within less than 11 years of Linux Distros I would have to change my OS at least 14 times - this makes at average in every 6-8 months. Who is prepared to change the OS on his computer at that speed? Who is willing to do so, and what is the idea of all that? (BTW the
competition on the software market is solving this problem by adding fractional indices).

F14 could be even called with any commercialised name, like for example 'Fedora-Collection Series' (integrating the best solutions of the last five Fedora distros, providing high speed, better security, better reliability, better compatibility, better accessibility - in that direction).
Deja Vu Sans and Droid Sans are the least problem.

Have a nice day,
Regards*




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