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Old 04-13-2010, 04:52 PM
Bastien Nocera
 
Default Unblock Avahi by default (for the Desktop live CDs)

Heya,

It seems to me that Avahi would be safe to run by default. That would
allow accessing remote machines through their .local names, even if it
wouldn't solve the problem of sharing *from* the machine itself.

But it would mean we can SSH, or VNC into local area machines, and
consume data (shares, music, etc.).

Comments?
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Old 04-13-2010, 06:35 PM
Seth Vidal
 
Default Unblock Avahi by default (for the Desktop live CDs)

On Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Bastien Nocera wrote:

> Heya,
>
> It seems to me that Avahi would be safe to run by default. That would
> allow accessing remote machines through their .local names, even if it
> wouldn't solve the problem of sharing *from* the machine itself.
>
> But it would mean we can SSH, or VNC into local area machines, and
> consume data (shares, music, etc.).
>
> Comments?


I think if this request is fulfilled then making avahi default on would be
okay.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530087

but only AFTER that request is filled.

how does that sound?

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Old 04-13-2010, 07:01 PM
Lennart Poettering
 
Default Unblock Avahi by default (for the Desktop live CDs)

On Tue, 13.04.10 14:35, Seth Vidal (skvidal@fedoraproject.org) wrote:

>
>
>
> On Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Bastien Nocera wrote:
>
> > Heya,
> >
> > It seems to me that Avahi would be safe to run by default. That would
> > allow accessing remote machines through their .local names, even if it
> > wouldn't solve the problem of sharing *from* the machine itself.
> >
> > But it would mean we can SSH, or VNC into local area machines, and
> > consume data (shares, music, etc.).
> >
> > Comments?
>
>
> I think if this request is fulfilled then making avahi default on would be
> okay.
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530087
>
> but only AFTER that request is filled.
>
> how does that sound?

What does that bug report to do with the firewall and the desktop live
cd?

Lennart

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Old 04-13-2010, 07:02 PM
Lennart Poettering
 
Default Unblock Avahi by default (for the Desktop live CDs)

On Tue, 13.04.10 17:52, Bastien Nocera (bnocera@redhat.com) wrote:

> Heya,
>
> It seems to me that Avahi would be safe to run by default. That would
> allow accessing remote machines through their .local names, even if it
> wouldn't solve the problem of sharing *from* the machine itself.
>
> But it would mean we can SSH, or VNC into local area machines, and
> consume data (shares, music, etc.).
>
> Comments?

Definitely makes sense to me.

Ideally the normal distro would enable it too, but the desktop live cd
should be much less controversial.

Lennart

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Old 04-13-2010, 07:04 PM
Seth Vidal
 
Default Unblock Avahi by default (for the Desktop live CDs)

On Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Lennart Poettering wrote:

> On Tue, 13.04.10 14:35, Seth Vidal (skvidal@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Bastien Nocera wrote:
>>
>>> Heya,
>>>
>>> It seems to me that Avahi would be safe to run by default. That would
>>> allow accessing remote machines through their .local names, even if it
>>> wouldn't solve the problem of sharing *from* the machine itself.
>>>
>>> But it would mean we can SSH, or VNC into local area machines, and
>>> consume data (shares, music, etc.).
>>>
>>> Comments?
>>
>>
>> I think if this request is fulfilled then making avahi default on would be
>> okay.
>>
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530087
>>
>> but only AFTER that request is filled.
>>
>> how does that sound?
>
> What does that bug report to do with the firewall and the desktop live
> cd?

having avahi running and active by default.

if various tools dep on the lib, then a system won't end up with avahi
installed and running by default. The above is something of a surprise to
many folks running servers.

the comment from JH is the admin/manager of kernel.org who was a bit
frustrated by avahi running as a service.

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Old 04-13-2010, 08:07 PM
Lennart Poettering
 
Default Unblock Avahi by default (for the Desktop live CDs)

On Tue, 13.04.10 15:04, Seth Vidal (skvidal@fedoraproject.org) wrote:

> > What does that bug report to do with the firewall and the desktop live
> > cd?
>
> having avahi running and active by default.
>
> if various tools dep on the lib, then a system won't end up with avahi
> installed and running by default. The above is something of a surprise to
> many folks running servers.
>
> the comment from JH is the admin/manager of kernel.org who was a bit
> frustrated by avahi running as a service.

Right. And what does that have to do with the firewall of the desktop
live cd?

I mean, i am not opposed to introducing a seperate package for the avahi
libs, but i wonder what that has to do with the firewall of the desktop
live cd?

And mentioning an admin's tale about a server is not really to the point is
it?

Lennart

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Old 04-13-2010, 08:11 PM
Seth Vidal
 
Default Unblock Avahi by default (for the Desktop live CDs)

On Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Lennart Poettering wrote:

> On Tue, 13.04.10 15:04, Seth Vidal (skvidal@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
>
>>> What does that bug report to do with the firewall and the desktop live
>>> cd?
>>
>> having avahi running and active by default.
>>
>> if various tools dep on the lib, then a system won't end up with avahi
>> installed and running by default. The above is something of a surprise to
>> many folks running servers.
>>
>> the comment from JH is the admin/manager of kernel.org who was a bit
>> frustrated by avahi running as a service.
>
> Right. And what does that have to do with the firewall of the desktop
> live cd?
>
> I mean, i am not opposed to introducing a seperate package for the avahi
> libs, but i wonder what that has to do with the firewall of the desktop
> live cd?
>
> And mentioning an admin's tale about a server is not really to the point is
> it?
>

Perhaps I misread the original comment - but it was the suggestion of
having avahi running by default.

Do you mean having that be the case from the livecd or from the package
itself.

If the former, then you're right it's a side issue. I thought the latter
was being discussed which is why I brought up that report.

thanks,


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Old 04-13-2010, 08:38 PM
Jesse Keating
 
Default Unblock Avahi by default (for the Desktop live CDs)

On Tue, 2010-04-13 at 16:11 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
>
> On Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 13.04.10 15:04, Seth Vidal (skvidal@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
> >
> >>> What does that bug report to do with the firewall and the desktop live
> >>> cd?
> >>
> >> having avahi running and active by default.
> >>
> >> if various tools dep on the lib, then a system won't end up with avahi
> >> installed and running by default. The above is something of a surprise to
> >> many folks running servers.
> >>
> >> the comment from JH is the admin/manager of kernel.org who was a bit
> >> frustrated by avahi running as a service.
> >
> > Right. And what does that have to do with the firewall of the desktop
> > live cd?
> >
> > I mean, i am not opposed to introducing a seperate package for the avahi
> > libs, but i wonder what that has to do with the firewall of the desktop
> > live cd?
> >
> > And mentioning an admin's tale about a server is not really to the point is
> > it?
> >
>
> Perhaps I misread the original comment - but it was the suggestion of
> having avahi running by default.
>
> Do you mean having that be the case from the livecd or from the package
> itself.
>
> If the former, then you're right it's a side issue. I thought the latter
> was being discussed which is why I brought up that report.
>
> thanks,
>
>
> -sv
>

I think both are being discussed somewhat. It'd be nice to do it
everywhere, so that the regular install does match somewhat the livecd
case, but as a fallback, just doing it on the livecd is less
contentious. I'd certainly like to see it on the livecd, and then I'd
also like to see us work toward having it on regular installs too, in a
way that will keep most parties happy.

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Old 04-13-2010, 09:45 PM
Chuck Anderson
 
Default Unblock Avahi by default (for the Desktop live CDs)

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 01:38:05PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-04-13 at 16:11 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
> > Perhaps I misread the original comment - but it was the suggestion of
> > having avahi running by default.
> >
> > Do you mean having that be the case from the livecd or from the package
> > itself.
> >
> > If the former, then you're right it's a side issue. I thought the latter
> > was being discussed which is why I brought up that report.
>
> I think both are being discussed somewhat. It'd be nice to do it
> everywhere, so that the regular install does match somewhat the livecd
> case, but as a fallback, just doing it on the livecd is less
> contentious. I'd certainly like to see it on the livecd, and then I'd
> also like to see us work toward having it on regular installs too, in a
> way that will keep most parties happy.

I don't know if this is related to Avahi or not, but with the default
firewall rules I can't see my friend's printers shared via his Mac
system. As soon as I turn off the firewall, the printers show up in
the GNOME printing dialog. It would be nice if this just worked
correctly out-of-the-box and in the LiveCD case without needing to
fiddle with firewall rules.
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Old 04-14-2010, 06:24 AM
"Jˇhann B. Gu­mundsson"
 
Default Unblock Avahi by default (for the Desktop live CDs)

I personally dont think that avahi should be run by default until bug
534076 gets fixed

Just my 2 cents..

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