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Old 03-23-2010, 05:11 PM
Colin Walters
 
Default spin kickstart/minimization cleanups

A few more comps patches.
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Old 03-23-2010, 05:11 PM
Colin Walters
 
Default spin kickstart/minimization cleanups

A few more comps patches.
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Old 03-23-2010, 05:29 PM
Bill Nottingham
 
Default spin kickstart/minimization cleanups

> From 018bf8e7ca32a45b040b50bde0461d4dac3f9b31 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Colin Walters <walters@verbum.org>
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:47:48 -0400
> Subject: [PATCH 1/4] Delete all optional components from @gnome-desktop
>
> Optional components are currently only visible from the UI
> in Standalone Anaconda, and are a random grab bag of
>
> * Applications
> * System administration tools
> * Desktop UI replacement
> * Other arbitrary software that links to gtk2 and gconf

Unless we start applying this methodology to all the other groups, I
would not merge it for the gnome-desktop group.

The other comps patches look OK.

Bill
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Old 03-23-2010, 05:29 PM
Bill Nottingham
 
Default spin kickstart/minimization cleanups

> From 018bf8e7ca32a45b040b50bde0461d4dac3f9b31 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Colin Walters <walters@verbum.org>
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:47:48 -0400
> Subject: [PATCH 1/4] Delete all optional components from @gnome-desktop
>
> Optional components are currently only visible from the UI
> in Standalone Anaconda, and are a random grab bag of
>
> * Applications
> * System administration tools
> * Desktop UI replacement
> * Other arbitrary software that links to gtk2 and gconf

Unless we start applying this methodology to all the other groups, I
would not merge it for the gnome-desktop group.

The other comps patches look OK.

Bill
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Old 03-23-2010, 05:37 PM
Colin Walters
 
Default spin kickstart/minimization cleanups

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Bill Nottingham <notting@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Unless we start applying this methodology to all the other groups, I
> would not merge it for the gnome-desktop group.

Fair enough.

> The other comps patches look OK.

Applied, thanks!
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Old 03-23-2010, 05:37 PM
Colin Walters
 
Default spin kickstart/minimization cleanups

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Bill Nottingham <notting@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Unless we start applying this methodology to all the other groups, I
> would not merge it for the gnome-desktop group.

Fair enough.

> The other comps patches look OK.

Applied, thanks!
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Old 03-23-2010, 08:48 PM
Chuck Anderson
 
Default spin kickstart/minimization cleanups

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 02:11:23PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
> - <packagereq type="default">system-config-network</packagereq>
> + <packagereq type="optional">system-config-network</packagereq>

Thank you :-)
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Old 03-23-2010, 08:48 PM
Chuck Anderson
 
Default spin kickstart/minimization cleanups

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 02:11:23PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
> - <packagereq type="default">system-config-network</packagereq>
> + <packagereq type="optional">system-config-network</packagereq>

Thank you :-)
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Old 03-24-2010, 05:12 PM
Adam Williamson
 
Default spin kickstart/minimization cleanups

On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 14:37 -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Bill Nottingham <notting@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > Unless we start applying this methodology to all the other groups, I
> > would not merge it for the gnome-desktop group.
>
> Fair enough.
>
> > The other comps patches look OK.
>
> Applied, thanks!

I hope you actually did some basic testing of live images and default
installs based on these changes before applying them? We're right in the
middle of the F13 Beta process and have a base of validation tests built
up which becomes somewhat less reliable if major changes to the default
package sets start being shoved in...

(remember the law of unintended consequences: even if it seems perfectly
obvious that a given package should be taken out, what if that package
happened to be the only thing causing some other package that we
actually want to be brought in as a dependency, for instance? default
package sets are a horribly complex space and I'm not that comfortable
with making disruptive changes to them when we're this close to the beta
release).

Oh, on the removal of system-config-network: I don't think this is a
good idea. NetworkManager is still not capable of configuring dial-up
network connections. Removing s-c-n makes it difficult or impossible to
configure a dial-up network connection, I believe.
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Old 03-24-2010, 05:12 PM
Adam Williamson
 
Default spin kickstart/minimization cleanups

On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 14:37 -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Bill Nottingham <notting@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > Unless we start applying this methodology to all the other groups, I
> > would not merge it for the gnome-desktop group.
>
> Fair enough.
>
> > The other comps patches look OK.
>
> Applied, thanks!

I hope you actually did some basic testing of live images and default
installs based on these changes before applying them? We're right in the
middle of the F13 Beta process and have a base of validation tests built
up which becomes somewhat less reliable if major changes to the default
package sets start being shoved in...

(remember the law of unintended consequences: even if it seems perfectly
obvious that a given package should be taken out, what if that package
happened to be the only thing causing some other package that we
actually want to be brought in as a dependency, for instance? default
package sets are a horribly complex space and I'm not that comfortable
with making disruptive changes to them when we're this close to the beta
release).

Oh, on the removal of system-config-network: I don't think this is a
good idea. NetworkManager is still not capable of configuring dial-up
network connections. Removing s-c-n makes it difficult or impossible to
configure a dial-up network connection, I believe.
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