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Old 03-19-2010, 07:28 PM
Bastien Nocera
 
Default Gwibber by default?

Heya,

I'd like to add Gwibber to the LiveCD, and default install. What do
people think? Is there a better client available for GNOME? Do we have
room for it?

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Old 03-19-2010, 07:30 PM
Jeffrey Ollie
 
Default Gwibber by default?

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Bastien Nocera <bnocera@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to add Gwibber to the LiveCD, and default install. What do
> people think? Is there a better client available for GNOME? Do we have
> room for it?

I don't know if there's a better client, but Gwibber will soon depend
on Desktop Couch, which will pull in CouchDB and Erlang - not really
lightweight requirements.

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Old 03-22-2010, 12:49 PM
Adam Jackson
 
Default Gwibber by default?

On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 15:30 -0500, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Bastien Nocera <bnocera@redhat.com> wrote:
> > I'd like to add Gwibber to the LiveCD, and default install. What do
> > people think? Is there a better client available for GNOME? Do we have
> > room for it?
>
> I don't know if there's a better client, but Gwibber will soon depend
> on Desktop Couch, which will pull in CouchDB and Erlang - not really
> lightweight requirements.

Erlang is a 40M RPM and 105M on disk. Yow. My kneejerk reaction is
that the packaging is insufficiently granular. Debian certainly seems
to split it up into a large number of binary packages; we should
probably consider doing the same.

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Old 03-22-2010, 12:51 PM
Rahul Sundaram
 
Default Gwibber by default?

On 03/22/2010 07:19 PM, Adam Jackson wrote:
>
> Erlang is a 40M RPM and 105M on disk. Yow. My kneejerk reaction is
> that the packaging is insufficiently granular. Debian certainly seems
> to split it up into a large number of binary packages; we should
> probably consider doing the same.
>

I had filed a bug report on this earlier and it is in progress already

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=564018

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Old 04-02-2010, 05:16 PM
Rahul Sundaram
 
Default Gwibber by default?

On 03/20/2010 01:58 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> Heya,
>
> I'd like to add Gwibber to the LiveCD, and default install. What do
> people think? Is there a better client available for GNOME? Do we have
> room for it?
>

Have we considered Pino? Gwibber and its couchdb + deps seems rather
bloated to me.

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Old 04-02-2010, 05:47 PM
Luke Macken
 
Default Gwibber by default?

On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 10:46:22PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 03/20/2010 01:58 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> > Heya,
> >
> > I'd like to add Gwibber to the LiveCD, and default install. What do
> > people think? Is there a better client available for GNOME? Do we have
> > room for it?
> >
>
> Have we considered Pino? Gwibber and its couchdb + deps seems rather
> bloated to me.

The Gwibber deps seem a bit crazy at the moment, especially since we're
not even utilizing the desktop couch service for anything else (afaik).

Opening and closing Gwibber will launch these services and leave them
running behind the scenes:

Private + Shared = RAM used Program
------------------------------------------
536.0 KiB + 582.0 KiB = 1.1 MiB couchdb (4)
2.2 MiB + 176.0 KiB = 2.4 MiB couchjs
12.9 MiB + 564.0 KiB = 13.5 MiB desktopcouch-service
20.1 MiB + 1.1 MiB = 21.2 MiB gwibber-service
32.8 MiB + 2.2 MiB = 34.9 MiB beam.smp (2) (erlang)

Until we "buy in" to this desktop couch vision, I don't think we should
ship Gwibber by default (let alone have it leave these services running
after it closes). It's also worth noting that Ubuntu is driving this
desktop couch vision, and will most likely be running
erlang/couchdb/desktop-couch out of the box on their desktops.

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Old 04-02-2010, 05:54 PM
Rahul Sundaram
 
Default Gwibber by default?

On 04/02/2010 11:17 PM, Luke Macken wrote:
> The Gwibber deps seem a bit crazy at the moment, especially since we're
> not even utilizing the desktop couch service for anything else (afaik).
>
> Opening and closing Gwibber will launch these services and leave them
> running behind the scenes:
>
> Private + Shared = RAM used Program
> ------------------------------------------
> 536.0 KiB + 582.0 KiB = 1.1 MiB couchdb (4)
> 2.2 MiB + 176.0 KiB = 2.4 MiB couchjs
> 12.9 MiB + 564.0 KiB = 13.5 MiB desktopcouch-service
> 20.1 MiB + 1.1 MiB = 21.2 MiB gwibber-service
> 32.8 MiB + 2.2 MiB = 34.9 MiB beam.smp (2) (erlang)
>

Pino (the latest version in Koji) is written in Vala is much faster than
Gwibber and consumes much less resources as well in addition to the
lower number of dependencies. I have been using Gwibber for a long time
and recently switched to Pino and love it.

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Old 04-05-2010, 11:30 PM
Matthias Clasen
 
Default Gwibber by default?

On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 23:24 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 04/02/2010 11:17 PM, Luke Macken wrote:
> > The Gwibber deps seem a bit crazy at the moment, especially since we're
> > not even utilizing the desktop couch service for anything else (afaik).
> >
> > Opening and closing Gwibber will launch these services and leave them
> > running behind the scenes:
> >
> > Private + Shared = RAM used Program
> > ------------------------------------------
> > 536.0 KiB + 582.0 KiB = 1.1 MiB couchdb (4)
> > 2.2 MiB + 176.0 KiB = 2.4 MiB couchjs
> > 12.9 MiB + 564.0 KiB = 13.5 MiB desktopcouch-service
> > 20.1 MiB + 1.1 MiB = 21.2 MiB gwibber-service
> > 32.8 MiB + 2.2 MiB = 34.9 MiB beam.smp (2) (erlang)
> >
>
> Pino (the latest version in Koji) is written in Vala is much faster than
> Gwibber and consumes much less resources as well in addition to the
> lower number of dependencies. I have been using Gwibber for a long time
> and recently switched to Pino and love it.

I gave pino a quick spin this afternoon. It is a very young project and
clearly still have some UI warts to shake out, but it seems to be
functional. Some of the things I noticed:

- The functionality seems to beg for a tabbed interface (several options
here: tabs for accounts, or tabs for the different content 'streams').
The current radio groups for account and stream selection feel unelegant
and repetitive.

- The 'show user' page is bizarre, with a single entry+button in the
middle of the page.

- When I added accounts in the preferences dialog, the accounts menu
seemed to lag behind (after adding one account, the menu was empty,
after adding a second account, the first one showed up in the menu)

- The use of the warning icon in the 'direct message to' entry feels
wrong to me. There is nothing wrong (yet), so don't warn me...

- The credits in the about dialog have a newline problem.

- The statusicon has some problems. 'Show menu' and 'Show toolbar'
really have no place in the context menu there. Neither does 'About...'.
And 'New status' and 'New direct message' don't seem to present the main
window. It would be much better to have the menu on left-click instead
of right-click, to go with the general desire to make systray icons
behave 'menu-like'.

As I said on irc, not sure I'm the best person to judge the usefulness
of adding a microblogging client to the default install. I'd personally
be more interested in exploring how to integrate microblogging in the
gnome-shell message bar.

But, compared to gwibber, this seems to be a much better choice for our
livecd. So, a (weak) +1 from me...


Matthias

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Old 04-06-2010, 10:07 AM
Rahul Sundaram
 
Default Gwibber by default?

On 04/06/2010 05:00 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
>
> But, compared to gwibber, this seems to be a much better choice for our
> livecd. So, a (weak) +1 from me...

Thanks. I have forwarded this feedback to the upstream developer of
Pino and will file tickets if required. Meanwhile I have become
co-maintainer of Pino in Fedora and will push forward updates as
necessary. Any further comments from others on including Pino by
default?

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Old 04-06-2010, 11:48 AM
Jeffrey Ollie
 
Default Gwibber by default?

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:07 AM, Rahul Sundaram <metherid@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 04/06/2010 05:00 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
>>
>> But, compared to gwibber, this seems to be a much better choice for our
>> livecd. So, a (weak) +1 from me...
>
> Thanks. *I have forwarded this feedback to the upstream developer of
> Pino and will file tickets if required. *Meanwhile I have become
> co-maintainer of Pino in Fedora and will push forward updates as
> necessary. * Any *further comments from others on including Pino by
> default?

Does Pino plan to add other social media sites like Facebook? That's
one reason that I use Gwibber... Other than the UI issues I don't see
any reason not to include Pino by default, although if we have to
downsize the Live media back to CD size I wouldn't worry about keeping
Pino.

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