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Old 11-11-2009, 10:36 AM
onkar mirajkar
 
Default on Hristo Petkov proposal

Hi,
I went to one step ahead.
I have a usb modem which i can carry to anywhere. It has memory slot (micro SD)in it.
I made it as live USB from USB creator.
But unfortunately i am not able to boot.
My plan was make it as live usb and then connect to data center by creating VPN.So that i can store my data permanently, Also make usb of cloud computing to give various software as service(SaaS).
*
Thanks,
Onkar


2009/11/7 Hristo Petkov <vaeood@yahoo.com>





Hi Guys,
I have a proposal. In my view this DVD is too complex to be made universal for various types of machines. Suppose the good old Live CD is furnished with a reference to the Fedora Project website and there to be installed an expert system advising the users depending on their machine, their periphery and their application goals what to install what is better to install instead of what and what is not entirely advisable to be installed. How to make a full-featured high-speed desktop from ground zero (from the live CD on formatted HD) in a couple of hours, etc.

Things like that.
Just a proposal.
Best regards
Christo Petkov


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***1. Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff (David Zeuthen)

***2. Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff (Bill Nottingham)
***3. Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff (David Zeuthen)
***4. Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff (Adam Williamson)
***5. Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff (Matthias Clasen)
***6. Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff (drago01)

***7. Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff (David Zeuthen)
***8. Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff (Seth Vidal)
***9. Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff (Lars Herrmann)
* 10. Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff (Bill Nottingham)
* 11. Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff (drago01)

* 12. Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff (David Zeuthen)
* 13. Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff (Seth Vidal)
* 14. Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff (Lars Herrmann)
* 15. Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff (Matthias Clasen)
* 16. Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff (Paul W. Frields)

* 17. Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff (Nicu Buculei)
* 18. Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff (onkar mirajkar)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:20:13 -0500

From: David Zeuthen <davidz@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff
To: sundaram@fedoraproject.org,*** Discussions about development for the

*** Fedora desktop*** <fedora-desktop-list@redhat.com>
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On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:33 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> The image size is 1022 M.

This is likely too big, remember drive manufacturers don't really use

units like KiB MiB or GiB - they use 1K = 1000, 1M = 1,000,000 and 1G =
1,000,000,000 - e.g.. the SI units.

It seems to me that most 1GB USB keys have a size of 1GB = 1,000M =
1,000,000,000 bytes. Some are 1024MB (1024,000,000,000 bytes), some may

be a bit smaller (e.g. "value-adds" like the Sandisk U3 "CD-ROM") while
some may actually be 1024 MiB (1,099,511,627,776 bytes). It varies.

It would probably be helpful to do a quick study of actual sizes of 1GB

USB sticks - we may end up wanting to do a 990 MB (990,000,000,000
bytes) image or something so the image works on as many USB sticks as
possible.

* * David




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:24:54 -0500
From: Bill Nottingham <notting@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff
To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop

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David Zeuthen (davidz@redhat.com) said:
> On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:33 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

> > The image size is 1022 M.
>
> This is likely too big, remember drive manufacturers don't really use
> units like KiB MiB or GiB - they use 1K = 1000, 1M = 1,000,000 and 1G =
> 1,000,000,000 - e.g. the SI units.

>
> It seems to me that most 1GB USB keys have a size of 1GB = 1,000M =
> 1,000,000,000 bytes. Some are 1024MB (1024,000,000,000 bytes), some may
> be a bit smaller (e.g. "value-adds" like the Sandisk U3 "CD-ROM") while

> some may actually be 1024 MiB (1,099,511,627,776 bytes). It varies.

Moreover, the closer you get to the full size, the less space you'll
have for any overlay.

Bill



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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:35:26 -0500
From: David Zeuthen <davidz@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff
To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop

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On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 13:24 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> David Zeuthen (davidz@redhat.com) said:

> > On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:33 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > > The image size is 1022 M.
> >
> > This is likely too big, remember drive manufacturers don't really use
> > units like KiB MiB or GiB - they use 1K = 1000, 1M = 1,000,000 and 1G =

> > 1,000,000,000 - e.g. the SI units.
> >
> > It seems to me that most 1GB USB keys have a size of 1GB = 1,000M =
> > 1,000,000,000 bytes. Some are 1024MB (1024,000,000,000 bytes), some may

> > be a bit smaller (e.g. "value-adds" like the Sandisk U3 "CD-ROM") while
> > some may actually be 1024 MiB (1,099,511,627,776 bytes). It varies.
>
> Moreover, the closer you get to the full size, the less space you'll

> have for any overlay.

Good point. A quick search on the Internet suggests that 2GB sticks can
be had for < $10. So maybe we should just bite the bullet and target 2GB
keys and do a 1.7GB (1,700,000,000 bytes) image leaving ~300MB free for

the overlay.

Then leaves both wiggle-room and also enables us to include *compelling*
stuff like Ogg Theora videos featuring Shadowman etc etc.

* * David




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:55:01 -0800
From: Adam Williamson <awilliam@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff

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On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 13:35 -0500, David Zeuthen wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 13:24 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > David Zeuthen (davidz@redhat.com) said:

> > > On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:33 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > > > The image size is 1022 M.
> > >
> > > This is likely too big, remember drive manufacturers don't really use

> > > units like KiB MiB or GiB - they use 1K = 1000, 1M = 1,000,000 and 1G =
> > > 1,000,000,000 - e.g. the SI units.
> > >
> > > It seems to me that most 1GB USB keys have a size of 1GB = 1,000M =

> > > 1,000,000,000 bytes. Some are 1024MB (1024,000,000,000 bytes), some may
> > > be a bit smaller (e.g. "value-adds" like the Sandisk U3 "CD-ROM") while
> > > some may actually be 1024 MiB (1,099,511,627,776 bytes). It varies.

> >
> > Moreover, the closer you get to the full size, the less space you'll
> > have for any overlay.
>
> Good point. A quick search on the Internet suggests that 2GB sticks can

> be had for < $10. So maybe we should just bite the bullet and target 2GB
> keys and do a 1.7GB (1,700,000,000 bytes) image leaving ~300MB free for
> the overlay.
>
> Then leaves both wiggle-room and also enables us to include *compelling*

> stuff like Ogg Theora videos featuring Shadowman etc etc.

Personally I think one of the nice things about a live CD image is it
creates a good restriction for building a nice focused working system in
a reasonable amount of space. 1GB would more or less keep that; 2GB is

starting to introduce an awful lot of wiggle room for not caring about
including useless crap.

And remember, large USB keys may be cheap as chips nowadays but
bandwidth ain't, always. Aren't there still people in Australia with

absurd caps like 10GB/month?

I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small
functional live image and make our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box'
image 2GB big'.

--

Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:56:42 -0500
From: Matthias Clasen <mclasen@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff

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On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 11:55 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:

> I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small
> functional live image and make our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box'

> image 2GB big'.
>

The biggest gap in terms of 'complete-out-of-the-box' is OpenOffice.
Including that brings us up to around 850M or so.



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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:05:30 +0100
From: drago01 <drago01@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff
To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop

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On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Matthias Clasen <mclasen@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 11:55 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:

>
>> I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small
>> functional live image and make our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box'
>> image 2GB big'.
>>

>
> The biggest gap in terms of 'complete-out-of-the-box' is OpenOffice.
> Including that brings us up to around 850M or so.

Finally we can move away from the 1990s (CDs), but yeah I agree

besides OO.org I can't think of an app that I really miss on the live
media.

Just because we do have more space available does not mean that we
have to fill it with random crap.



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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:34:51 -0500
From: David Zeuthen <davidz@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff
To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop

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On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 11:55 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Personally I think one of the nice things about a live CD image is it
> creates a good restriction for building a nice focused working system in

> a reasonable amount of space. 1GB would more or less keep that; 2GB is
> starting to introduce an awful lot of wiggle room for not caring about
> including useless crap.

Nah, this is a bad reason - and if it's the case we're already doomed.


(FWIW, I don't think it's the case - I trust Matthias and other Live CD
desktop maintainers to put only sensible stuff on our images.)

Also, no-one says we _must_ include useless crap or even use all of the

space. And no-one says the space we're going to use is to be used for
software. I've advocated earlier that we should try and promote things
like Ogg Theora. For example, we could include

* http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/


on the media. In my view, that would make Fedora a lot more appealing.

> And remember, large USB keys may be cheap as chips nowadays but
> bandwidth ain't, always. Aren't there still people in Australia with

> absurd caps like 10GB/month?

They do have mirrors in Australia.

> I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small
> functional live image and make our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box'

> image 2GB big'.

No one says the desktop image should be "our smallest
'complete-out-of-the-box' image". In fact, I think it would be a mistake
to say it should be.

Also: Remember the days before live CDs? Back then, about 3+ years ago,

we didn't have any problems asking people to download a whopping six
CDs..

F13 will be released in 2010.

* ***David




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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:37:43 -0500 (EST)

From: Seth Vidal <skvidal@fedoraproject.org>
Subject: Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff
To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop

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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009, David Zeuthen wrote:

> On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 11:55 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> Personally I think one of the nice things about a live CD image is it

>> creates a good restriction for building a nice focused working system in
>> a reasonable amount of space. 1GB would more or less keep that; 2GB is
>> starting to introduce an awful lot of wiggle room for not caring about

>> including useless crap.
>
> Nah, this is a bad reason - and if it's the case we're already doomed.
>
> (FWIW, I don't think it's the case - I trust Matthias and other Live CD

> desktop maintainers to put only sensible stuff on our images.)
>
> Also, no-one says we _must_ include useless crap or even use all of the
> space. And no-one says the space we're going to use is to be used for

> software. I've advocated earlier that we should try and promote things
> like Ogg Theora. For example, we could include
>
>* http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/

>
> on the media. In my view, that would make Fedora a lot more appealing.
>
>> And remember, large USB keys may be cheap as chips nowadays but
>> bandwidth ain't, always. Aren't there still people in Australia with

>> absurd caps like 10GB/month?
>
> They do have mirrors in Australia.
>
>> I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small
>> functional live image and make our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box'

>> image 2GB big'.
>
> No one says the desktop image should be "our smallest
> 'complete-out-of-the-box' image". In fact, I think it would be a mistake
> to say it should be.

>
> Also: Remember the days before live CDs? Back then, about 3+ years ago,
> we didn't have any problems asking people to download a whopping six
> CDs.
>

Well, to be fair we didn't tell them download 6 cds. We told them, if they

were bandwidth-restricted to download the boot.iso and boot and install
via the net talking to a local mirror.


not disputing any other points - but it's not like the super-small image
has ever been 6-cds.


-sv



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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:47:02 +0100
From: Lars Herrmann <herrmann@redhat.com>

Subject: Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff
To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
*** <fedora-desktop-list@redhat.com>

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Am Donnerstag, den 05.11.2009, 14:56 -0500 schrieb Matthias Clasen:

> On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 11:55 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small
> > functional live image and make our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box'

> > image 2GB big'.
> >
>
> The biggest gap in terms of 'complete-out-of-the-box' is OpenOffice.
> Including that brings us up to around 850M or so.

But isn't this just because of the 3 million language packages

provided ? Could the size kept small by providing uni-language or
language-group spins ?

Just a thought

Lars



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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:50:01 -0500

From: Bill Nottingham <notting@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff
To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop

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Lars Herrmann (herrmann@redhat.com) said:
> But isn't this just because of the 3 million language packages

> provided ? Could the size kept small by providing uni-language or
> language-group spins ?

That explodes the testing matrix, though. (And makes something
that needs to support some superset of languages a mess.)


Bill



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:50:17 +0100
From: drago01 <drago01@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff
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On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Lars Herrmann <herrmann@redhat.com> wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, den 05.11.2009, 14:56 -0500 schrieb Matthias Clasen:

>> On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 11:55 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>
>> > I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small
>> > functional live image and make our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box'

>> > image 2GB big'.
>> >
>>
>> The biggest gap in terms of 'complete-out-of-the-box' is OpenOffice.
>> Including that brings us up to around 850M or so.
>

> But isn't this just because of the 3 million language packages
> provided ? Could the size kept small by providing uni-language or
> language-group spins ?
>
> Just a thought

Asking users to install random language packs isn't a good user

experience, and if the only reason for that is "we still don't
acknowledge that we are in the 21st century ...."



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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:52:28 -0500

From: David Zeuthen <davidz@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff
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On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 15:37 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote:
> > Also: Remember the days before live CDs? Back then, about 3+ years ago,
> > we didn't have any problems asking people to download a whopping six

> > CDs.
> >
>
> Well, to be fair we didn't tell them download 6 cds. We told them, if they
> were bandwidth-restricted to download the boot.iso and boot and install
> via the net talking to a local mirror.


Right, that's true. I remember doing that a lot. IIRC, if choosing a
minimal install the first two CDs would suffice (if the stars were
properly aligned I think - ISTR that it broke at one point).

Anyway, people can still do that, right? (honest question, not trolling.

I don't really know; these days I never use anything but the Live CD to
install.)

Thanks,
David



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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:56:22 -0500 (EST)

From: Seth Vidal <skvidal@fedoraproject.org>
Subject: Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff
To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop

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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009, David Zeuthen wrote:

> On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 15:37 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote:
>>> Also: Remember the days before live CDs? Back then, about 3+ years ago,

>>> we didn't have any problems asking people to download a whopping six
>>> CDs.
>>>
>>
>> Well, to be fair we didn't tell them download 6 cds. We told them, if they

>> were bandwidth-restricted to download the boot.iso and boot and install
>> via the net talking to a local mirror.
>
> Right, that's true. I remember doing that a lot. IIRC, if choosing a

> minimal install the first two CDs would suffice (if the stars were
> properly aligned I think - ISTR that it broke at one point).
>
> Anyway, people can still do that, right? (honest question, not trolling.

> I don't really know; these days I never use anything but the Live CD to
> install.)

yep. In f11 it's called netinst.

Fedora-11-i386-netinst..iso

for example.

it's 177MB. Which is pretty light weight. It has stage2 on it iirc.


-sv



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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:58:45 +0100
From: Lars Herrmann <herrmann@redhat.com>

Subject: Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff
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Am Donnerstag, den 05.11.2009, 21:50 +0100 schrieb drago01:

> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Lars Herrmann <herrmann@redhat.com> wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, den 05.11.2009, 14:56 -0500 schrieb Matthias Clasen:

> >> On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 11:55 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >>
> >> > I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small
> >> > functional live image and make our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box'

> >> > image 2GB big'.
> >> >
> >>
> >> The biggest gap in terms of 'complete-out-of-the-box' is OpenOffice.
> >> Including that brings us up to around 850M or so.

> >
> > But isn't this just because of the 3 million language packages
> > provided ? Could the size kept small by providing uni-language or
> > language-group spins ?
> >

> > Just a thought
>
> Asking users to install random language packs isn't a good user
> experience, and if the only reason for that is "we still don't
> acknowledge that we are in the 21st century ...."

>

The point is that it in fact *is* annoying that a significant chunk of
space goes to totally irrelevant packages. I am typically installing 3
languages on my system and I am sure this represents a tiny fraction of

the user base. North of 90% will never ever use more than one language.
And they will know which one they need prior to downloading

Having a button in the distro to "add a language" is a useful feature

anyway - it's a bit of a pain today if you want to add a language later
and have to find out which packages to add. Same goes for removing.

But I'm not aware of all implications of course ...

Lars




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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:20:30 -0500
From: Matthias Clasen <mclasen@redhat.com>

Subject: Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff
To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
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On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 21:47 +0100, Lars Herrmann wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, den 05.11.2009, 14:56 -0500 schrieb Matthias Clasen:

> > On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 11:55 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small
> > > functional live image and make our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box'

> > > image 2GB big'.
> > >
> >
> > The biggest gap in terms of 'complete-out-of-the-box' is OpenOffice.
> > Including that brings us up to around 850M or so.

>
> But isn't this just because of the 3 million language packages
> provided ? Could the size kept small by providing uni-language or
> language-group spins ?
>
> Just a thought

>

I did that experiment back in August. Here is what I wrote back then:

> Replacing abiword with the entire openoffice suite blows the iso
> size up to 825M.
>
> Replacing abiword with just oowriter still blows the iso size up

> to 820M.
>
> This is without any openoffice lang packs.






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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:56:29 -0500
From: "Paul W. Frields" <stickster@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff
To: fedora-desktop-list@redhat.com
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On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 01:35:26PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 13:24 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > David Zeuthen (davidz@redhat.com) said:

> > > On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:33 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > > > The image size is 1022 M.
> > >
> > > This is likely too big, remember drive manufacturers don't really use

> > > units like KiB MiB or GiB - they use 1K = 1000, 1M = 1,000,000 and 1G =
> > > 1,000,000,000 - e.g. the SI units.
> > >
> > > It seems to me that most 1GB USB keys have a size of 1GB = 1,000M =

> > > 1,000,000,000 bytes. Some are 1024MB (1024,000,000,000 bytes), some may
> > > be a bit smaller (e.g. "value-adds" like the Sandisk U3 "CD-ROM") while
> > > some may actually be 1024 MiB (1,099,511,627,776 bytes). It varies.

> >
> > Moreover, the closer you get to the full size, the less space you'll
> > have for any overlay.
>
> Good point. A quick search on the Internet suggests that 2GB sticks can

> be had for < $10. So maybe we should just bite the bullet and target 2GB
> keys and do a 1.7GB (1,700,000,000 bytes) image leaving ~300MB free for
> the overlay.
>
> Then leaves both wiggle-room and also enables us to include *compelling*

> stuff like Ogg Theora videos featuring Shadowman etc etc.

The price differences between 1GB and 2GB sticks seem minimal (and you
can find some 2GB cheaper than 1GB, of course).* I lobbied purposely
with the Red Hat Summit organizers to make sure we gave out Fedora on

2GB keys so that we could have a sizable key.

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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:10:14 +0200
From: Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro>

Subject: Re: Desktop Live DVD:* diff
To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
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On 11/05/2009 10:34 PM, David Zeuthen wrote:

>
> Also, no-one says we _must_ include useless crap or even use all of the
> space. And no-one says the space we're going to use is to be used for
> software. I've advocated earlier that we should try and promote things

> like Ogg Theora. For example, we could include
>
>* * http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/

+ 1 million

>
>> I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small

>> functional live image and make our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box'
>> image 2GB big'.
>
> No one says the desktop image should be "our smallest
> 'complete-out-of-the-box' image". In fact, I think it would be a mistake

> to say it should be.

How about a middle ground? Most of the people will just try and see what
is about, they will not use write overlay, so we can target the image at
1 GB (999 MB), to cover their case. Advanced users, who will made use of

the write overlay, will surely write the image on a 2GB or large drive,
having the option to set the overlay as large as they want and the
possibility to throw in other useful things, like a persistent home.


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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:10:16 +0530
From: onkar mirajkar <odmirajkar@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff

To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
*** <fedora-desktop-list@redhat.com>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi,
Few days back I created a Ubnutu live USB. But I recognize that its not good
for my day to day use as it doesnot allow me to add my own packages like

VLC.
Is this a general problem with all Live USB as there are live dvd creator
which allows me to add my own packages.
I think its good idea to add this feature as USB is read wirte device not
read only like DVD so that user can install their own software and customize

thier live USB.
Thanks,
Onkar



2009/11/6 Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro>

> On 11/05/2009 10:34 PM, David Zeuthen wrote:

>
>>
>> Also, no-one says we _must_ include useless crap or even use all of the
>> space. And no-one says the space we're going to use is to be used for
>> software. I've advocated earlier that we should try and promote things

>> like Ogg Theora. For example, we could include
>>
>>***http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/
>>
>
> + 1 million
>

>
>
>> I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small
>>> functional live image and make our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box'
>>> image 2GB big'.

>>>
>>
>> No one says the desktop image should be "our smallest
>> 'complete-out-of-the-box' image". In fact, I think it would be a mistake
>> to say it should be.

>>
>
> How about a middle ground? Most of the people will just try and see what is
> about, they will not use write overlay, so we can target the image at 1 GB
> (999 MB), to cover their case. Advanced users, who will made use of the

> write overlay, will surely write the image on a 2GB or large drive, having
> the option to set the overlay as large as they want and the possibility to
> throw in other useful things, like a persistent home.

>
> --
> nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/
>
>
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