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Old 11-08-2009, 08:03 PM
Adam Williamson
 
Default Opinion of inclusion of PackageKit-command-not-found on the desktop spin

On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 12:23 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Hi, guys. Jesse and I would like to get an opinion from the desktop team
> on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533553 - the request to
> drop PackageKit-command-not-found from the desktop spin.

never mind, we're going to go ahead and keep it.

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Old 11-08-2009, 08:51 PM
Matthias Clasen
 
Default Opinion of inclusion of PackageKit-command-not-found on the desktop spin

On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 12:23 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Hi, guys. Jesse and I would like to get an opinion from the desktop team
> on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533553 - the request to
> drop PackageKit-command-not-found from the desktop spin.
>
> Jens went ahead and did this unilaterally and Matthias reverted it,
> which is understandable, but what we're not sure of is whether Matthias
> was worried only about the unilateral nature of Jens' move or whether
> you really want to keep command-not-found on the live spin. We'd
> probably prefer to take it out, since it's just too buggy: it's a great
> concept, but it breaks far too easily at the moment, I've seen it cause
> the yum database to be stuck for a long time and someone else on the bug
> has seen it peg out all his CPUs. It just seems too fragile to have it
> around by default yet.
>
> But we didn't want to just get involved in a revert war, so we're trying
> to get an opinion. We're probably going to have to do an RC4 spin and
> it's going to have to be within the next few hours, that's our window
> for this change; so if you could reply in the next few hours that'd be
> great. Thanks!
>

There's no way to have a discussion about this 'within the next few
hours'. It is weekend, and some people try to have a few hours off on
those...

If you ask me, it is just too late to make a giant stink about a minor
thing. We could have had this discussion after the beta, but nobody
complained then. Now we are post-RC, and suddenly people propose drastic
measures with deadlines of only a few hours.

I've asked Richard to look at doing a 0-day update to fix the more
serious problems.

Matthias


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Old 11-08-2009, 09:14 PM
Adam Williamson
 
Default Opinion of inclusion of PackageKit-command-not-found on the desktop spin

On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 16:51 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:

> There's no way to have a discussion about this 'within the next few
> hours'. It is weekend, and some people try to have a few hours off on
> those...

I know, but it was worth asking to see if anyone was around to give some
input.

> If you ask me, it is just too late to make a giant stink about a minor
> thing. We could have had this discussion after the beta, but nobody
> complained then. Now we are post-RC, and suddenly people propose drastic
> measures with deadlines of only a few hours.
>
> I've asked Richard to look at doing a 0-day update to fix the more
> serious problems.

right - as I followed-up a few minutes later, we agreed and we're
leaving it in there.

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Old 11-09-2009, 12:48 PM
Matthias Clasen
 
Default Opinion of inclusion of PackageKit-command-not-found on the desktop spin

On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 13:03 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 12:23 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Hi, guys. Jesse and I would like to get an opinion from the desktop team
> > on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533553 - the request to
> > drop PackageKit-command-not-found from the desktop spin.
>
> never mind, we're going to go ahead and keep it.
>

And Richard was so nice to look into the problems first thing Monday
morning. Here

http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=140408

is a build that fixes a lot of the issues. There is at least one more
build coming to fix the more cosmetic issues (newlines, etc). I'm
confident we'll have a 0-day update that will make PK-command-not-found
work acceptably.

Thanks for insisting on quality !


Matthias

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Old 11-09-2009, 02:38 PM
Adam Williamson
 
Default Opinion of inclusion of PackageKit-command-not-found on the desktop spin

On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 08:48 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 13:03 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 12:23 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > Hi, guys. Jesse and I would like to get an opinion from the desktop team
> > > on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533553 - the request to
> > > drop PackageKit-command-not-found from the desktop spin.
> >
> > never mind, we're going to go ahead and keep it.
> >
>
> And Richard was so nice to look into the problems first thing Monday
> morning. Here
>
> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=140408
>
> is a build that fixes a lot of the issues. There is at least one more
> build coming to fix the more cosmetic issues (newlines, etc). I'm
> confident we'll have a 0-day update that will make PK-command-not-found
> work acceptably.
>
> Thanks for insisting on quality !

sounds great, thanks.

I think the biggest problem for the live CD is that it gives you no idea
when it's 'processing' (checking yum info), so if you boot live, and
type a command that doesn't exist...you get to sit at a console that
just says 'Command not found.' for about 3 minutes while it goes out and
gets yum metadata. It's easy to assume it's just broken. A big help for
updaters and future releases would just be for it to indicate that it's
searching.

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Old 11-09-2009, 02:51 PM
Matthias Clasen
 
Default Opinion of inclusion of PackageKit-command-not-found on the desktop spin

On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:38 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:

>
> I think the biggest problem for the live CD is that it gives you no idea
> when it's 'processing' (checking yum info), so if you boot live, and
> type a command that doesn't exist...you get to sit at a console that
> just says 'Command not found.' for about 3 minutes while it goes out and
> gets yum metadata. It's easy to assume it's just broken. A big help for
> updaters and future releases would just be for it to indicate that it's
> searching.

After a quick conference with Richard, I just committed a change to the
kickstart file to turn off command-not-found on the uninstalled live
image. We already turn off all the rest of PackageKit and, as you
noticed, command-not-found causes long waits because it has to download
repodata that would normally be available locally on an installed
system, but is missing on the live image.


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Old 11-09-2009, 03:26 PM
Jesse Keating
 
Default Opinion of inclusion of PackageKit-command-not-found on the desktop spin

On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 10:51 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> After a quick conference with Richard, I just committed a change to the
> kickstart file to turn off command-not-found on the uninstalled live
> image. We already turn off all the rest of PackageKit and, as you
> noticed, command-not-found causes long waits because it has to download
> repodata that would normally be available locally on an installed
> system, but is missing on the live image.

Might be too late for that change, since I've already made a number of
the live images and they're being tested, but I'll see if QA will take a
late shuffle on live images.

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