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Old 10-31-2009, 09:46 AM
Hristo Petkov
 
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Hi all,
Excuse me - just to ask: What is the idea of polishing F12 while F10 and F11 have fairly low reliability (in working with OpenOffice for example).
Today I tried to do some a little bit more complex operations with OpenOffice Writer under F11 and 'went in the Dimension-X'.

Regards,
Christo Petkov



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Today's Topics:

***1. [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] (Adam Williamson)
***2. Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] (Matthias Clasen)
***3. Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] (Adam Williamson)
***4. Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] (Matthias Clasen)
***5. Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] (James Laska)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:09:14 -0700
From: Adam Williamson <awilliam@redhat.com>
Subject: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues]
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this seems an appropriate topic for desktop-list...

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On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 13:09 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> this seems an appropriate topic for
desktop-list...

I don't think there is much to discuss, though.

Yes, the missing abrt icon is a problem. But the fact that not every
item in Places and System has an icon was our design decision, and is
not a bug in any way.

I don't see how those 'missing' icons could even theoretically be
considered a release blocker. They don't cause a problem in any way.


Matthias



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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:01:30 -0700
From: Adam Williamson <awilliam@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues]
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On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 16:44 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 13:09 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > this seems an appropriate topic for desktop-list...
>
> I don't think there is much to discuss, though.
>
> Yes, the missing abrt icon is a problem. But the fact that not every
> item in Places and System has an icon was our design decision, and is
> not a bug in any way..
>
> I don't see how those 'missing' icons could even theoretically be
> considered a release blocker. They don't cause a problem in any way.

I dunno, I didn't write those criteria. I guess the idea was to have
some kind of standard for final desktop polish. I guess my
question was
more or less what you answered above - whether this list knows why this
is in the release criteria, and whether you'd agree with it.

Though looking at it again, it's a 'should' not a 'must' issue. Which by
my understanding means it's not intended to actually be a blocker (only
things on the release criteria page with the keyword 'must' indicate
things we'd block for).

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:37:03 -0400
From: Matthias Clasen <mclasen@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues]
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On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 14:01 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:

> I dunno, I didn't write those criteria. I guess the idea was to have
> some kind of standard for final desktop polish. I guess my question was
> more or less what you answered above - whether this list knows why this
> is in the release criteria, and whether you'd agree with it.

I was not involved in the creation of these criteria. It is obviously a
bit unfortunate if design decisions like the one to drop some icons from
the menus are not reflected in them.

As long as everybody is reasonable about this, it is not a big
problem.


Matthias




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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:42:32 -0400
From: James Laska <jlaska@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues]
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On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 07:37 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 14:01 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > I dunno,
I didn't write those criteria. I guess the idea was to have
> > some kind of standard for final desktop polish. I guess my question was
> > more or less what you answered above - whether this list knows why this
> > is in the release criteria, and whether you'd agree with it.
>
> I was not involved in the creation of these criteria. It is obviously a
> bit unfortunate if design decisions like the one to drop some icons from
> the menus are not reflected in them.

We'll be looking to refresh the release criteria in the near future.
I'm not sure exactly when we'll kick that off, but we'll be sure to
solicit feedback from all groups.

Thanks,
James
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Old 10-31-2009, 03:23 PM
Adam Williamson
 
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On Sat, 2009-10-31 at 03:46 -0700, Hristo Petkov wrote:
> Hi all,
> Excuse me - just to ask: What is the idea of polishing F12 while F10
> and F11 have fairly low reliability (in working with OpenOffice for
> example).
> Today I tried to do some a little bit more complex operations with
> OpenOffice Writer under F11 and 'went in the Dimension-X'.

For a start, none of the people working on GNOME desktop polish are
OpenOffice.org coders. Your question is roughly akin to asking a house
painter why he isn't performing surgery on children; that just ain't how
things are organized.

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Old 11-02-2009, 05:04 AM
David Tardon
 
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 03:46:08AM -0700, Hristo Petkov wrote:
> Hi all,
> Excuse me - just to ask: What is the idea of polishing F12 while F10 and F11 have fairly low reliability (in working with OpenOffice for example).
> Today I tried to do some a little bit more complex operations with OpenOffice Writer under F11 and 'went in the Dimension-X'.
>
> Regards,
> Christo Petkov
>

Hello Christo,

could you tell us the reported bugs' numbers, please?

Btw, what do you mean by 'went in the Dimension-X'? something like
http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-10-15/ ?

David

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Old 11-02-2009, 07:10 AM
Nicu Buculei
 
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On 10/31/2009 06:23 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:

On Sat, 2009-10-31 at 03:46 -0700, Hristo Petkov wrote:

Today I tried to do some a little bit more complex operations with
OpenOffice Writer under F11 and 'went in the Dimension-X'.


For a start, none of the people working on GNOME desktop polish are
OpenOffice.org coders. Your question is roughly akin to asking a house
painter why he isn't performing surgery on children; that just ain't how
things are organized.


I am pretty sure our OOo maintainer (who is also a top upstream
developer) *is* subscribed to this list (as he should be). With this
being said, I acknowledge 'went in the Dimension-X' is totally useless
as a bug report.


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