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Old 03-12-2009, 04:00 PM
Rahul Sundaram
 
Default xguest in the live cd

Jesse Keating wrote:

On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 19:55 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

I have added the release notes at

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Beta_release_notes#Desktop_Guest_User

You might want to consider including xguest by default in the Fedora
DVD
image as well. Jesse Keating?




Getting it on the install media should be as easy as making it a default
in one of the comps groups.


Which group would be appropriate? Can you do this?

Rahul

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Old 03-12-2009, 05:18 PM
Bill Nottingham
 
Default xguest in the live cd

Rahul Sundaram (sundaram@fedoraproject.org) said:
>> Getting it on the install media should be as easy as making it a default
>> in one of the comps groups.
>
> Which group would be appropriate? Can you do this?

Presumably, gnome-desktop?

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Old 03-17-2009, 03:24 PM
Rahul Sundaram
 
Default xguest in the live cd

Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram said:
>>> Getting it on the install media should be as easy as making it a default
>>> in one of the comps groups.
>> Which group would be appropriate? Can you do this?
>
> Presumably, gnome-desktop?

Can someone in the desktop team please confirm that, you agree to this?

Rahul

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Old 03-17-2009, 03:44 PM
Matthias Clasen
 
Default xguest in the live cd

On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 21:54 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > Rahul Sundaram said:
> >>> Getting it on the install media should be as easy as making it a default
> >>> in one of the comps groups.
> >> Which group would be appropriate? Can you do this?
> >
> > Presumably, gnome-desktop?
>
> Can someone in the desktop team please confirm that, you agree to this?

After some irc discussion, I've now put xguest as optional entry in the
base-x group, since it is not really gnome specific.

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Old 03-17-2009, 03:53 PM
Rahul Sundaram
 
Default xguest in the live cd

Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 21:54 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> Bill Nottingham wrote:
>>> Rahul Sundaram said:
>>>>> Getting it on the install media should be as easy as making it a default
>>>>> in one of the comps groups.
>>>> Which group would be appropriate? Can you do this?
>>> Presumably, gnome-desktop?
>> Can someone in the desktop team please confirm that, you agree to this?
>
> After some irc discussion, I've now put xguest as optional entry in the
> base-x group, since it is not really gnome specific.

My goal was to get the desktop live cd experience to match the Fedora
DVD experience as closely as possible. Now, you will get xguest by
default only if you install from the live cd. I think such deviations
should be avoided. Speaking from the documentation perspective, these
things are very much a pain.

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Old 03-17-2009, 03:59 PM
Jesse Keating
 
Default xguest in the live cd

On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 22:23 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> My goal was to get the desktop live cd experience to match the Fedora
> DVD experience as closely as possible. Now, you will get xguest by
> default only if you install from the live cd. I think such deviations
> should be avoided. Speaking from the documentation perspective, these
> things are very much a pain.
>

In this case, we're using the Beta as an experiment, not as a final
setting. Where to put the package in comps is a real problem when you
consider interaction with other DEs and WMs and LMs, particularly at
this stage of the freeze. If things go well with xguest being on the
Live image we can then discuss how to appropriately place it in comps
after beta.

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Old 03-24-2009, 04:01 PM
Matthias Clasen
 
Default xguest in the live cd

On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 09:59 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 22:23 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > My goal was to get the desktop live cd experience to match the Fedora
> > DVD experience as closely as possible. Now, you will get xguest by
> > default only if you install from the live cd. I think such deviations
> > should be avoided. Speaking from the documentation perspective, these
> > things are very much a pain.
> >
>
> In this case, we're using the Beta as an experiment, not as a final
> setting. Where to put the package in comps is a real problem when you
> consider interaction with other DEs and WMs and LMs, particularly at
> this stage of the freeze. If things go well with xguest being on the
> Live image we can then discuss how to appropriately place it in comps
> after beta.

Indeed, just an experiment.

After playing a bit with it, I am pretty convinced that we don't want
xguest by default in F11. We are just fooling ourselves if we think that
having "Guest" appear on the gdm login screen means that we have a
working guest account. The current xguest package is more like a
technology demo that shows that selinux does indeed make it possible to
tightly lock down a lot of desktop features without adjusting the UI at
all.

If we want to have a meaningful guest account we will have to do the
same hard work that the Ubuntu guys did of defining the use cases,
figuring out what the guest is supposed to do, and adjust the guest
session to actually reflect these abilities.

Here are some things I noticed in 10 minutes of using a xguest session:

- When logging into the xguest account, I get a regular default gnome
desktop, with the difference that a lot of things don't work (except for
firefox).

- For some reason, gnome-power-manager is not running in the xguest
session.

- I tried to open a web page with epiphany, and it didn't work, while
doing it in firefox works just fine. But still, epiphany is in the
menus.

- I inserted a usb stick, and got some nautilus dialogs, but unlocking
the encrypted partition didn't work, probably because /media was not
visible.

- None of the PolicyKit policies have been adapted to reflect that
xguest will not be able to do much of anything.

On top of this, xguest seems to have some serious issues, see e.g.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=491924


Matthias


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Old 03-25-2009, 06:03 PM
Matthias Clasen
 
Default xguest in the live cd

One more xguest problem I forgot to mention:

- When selinux is not in enforcing mode, logging into the guest account
doesn't work. And it fails without any error message.


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