Hi,

Preupgrade is not in the default package list for the desktop live cd.

Considering packagekit feature of prompting on new distro releases which
in Fedora would depend on preupgrade, shouldn't be included?


Reference:

http://www.packagekit.org/img/gpk-distro-upgrade-notify.png

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On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 20:01 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Preupgrade is not in the default package list for the desktop live cd.
>
> Considering packagekit feature of prompting on new distro releases which
> in Fedora would depend on preupgrade, shouldn't be included?

Nahh, PackageKit (the yum backend) automatically installs preupgrade the
first time it gets scheduled to do a check for new distro upgrades.

It needs to do such a thing as the preupgrade package holds the data
about what upgrades are available.

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On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 17:02 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 20:01 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > Preupgrade is not in the default package list for the desktop live cd.
> >
> > Considering packagekit feature of prompting on new distro releases which
> > in Fedora would depend on preupgrade, shouldn't be included?
>
> Nahh, PackageKit (the yum backend) automatically installs preupgrade the
> first time it gets scheduled to do a check for new distro upgrades.
>
> It needs to do such a thing as the preupgrade package holds the data
> about what upgrades are available.

...although the plan for F10 is to have this data provided by
mirrormanager, and have PK/preupgrade/livecd-creator/etc. use that to
figure out what releases are available. So PK's yum backend won't
directly require preupgrade anymore.

So it's a valid question. In theory I think it makes sense for all
Desktop installs. But I'd like to see wider testing of preupgrade-0.9.8
before I commit to that.

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Will Woods wrote:

On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 17:02 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:

On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 20:01 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:



So it's a valid question. In theory I think it makes sense for all
Desktop installs. But I'd like to see wider testing of preupgrade-0.9.8
before I commit to that.


Is a testing day scheduled for this? I would like to participate and I
am sure others would as well.


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On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 14:05 -0400, Will Woods wrote:

> So it's a valid question. In theory I think it makes sense for all
> Desktop installs. But I'd like to see wider testing of preupgrade-0.9.8
> before I commit to that.

I didn't think the livecd could do upgrades.
Only new installations, no ?

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On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 14:20 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 14:05 -0400, Will Woods wrote:
> > So it's a valid question. In theory I think it makes sense for all
> > Desktop installs. But I'd like to see wider testing of preupgrade-0.9.8
> > before I commit to that.
>
> I didn't think the livecd could do upgrades.
> Only new installations, no ?

You can't use the livecd to do an upgrade. A system that was installed
via livecd can be upgraded via normal means (including preupgrade)

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On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Jeremy Katz <katzj@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 14:20 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
>> On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 14:05 -0400, Will Woods wrote:
>> > So it's a valid question. In theory I think it makes sense for all
>> > Desktop installs. But I'd like to see wider testing of preupgrade-0.9.8
>> > before I commit to that.
>>
>> I didn't think the livecd could do upgrades.
>> Only new installations, no ?
>
> You can't use the livecd to do an upgrade. A system that was installed
> via livecd can be upgraded via normal means (including preupgrade)

Which is fine - we want people to use preupgrade since it's a far
better user experience in general.

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Björn Persson wrote:

Alex Makhlin wrote:

Here is a great utility I found to upgrade Fedora when new
releases are available. You will first have to install it.

as root type:
yum install preupgrade
preupgrade


Preupgrade is a good idea. Too bad its authors give security such a low
priority. Personally I won't use Preupgrade until it verifies cryptographic
signatures on everything it downloads.


It uses yum which should handle that. You should file a RFE if you are
talking about something different.


Rahul

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Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Björn Persson wrote:
> > Preupgrade is a good idea. Too bad its authors give security such a low
> > priority. Personally I won't use Preupgrade until it verifies
> > cryptographic signatures on everything it downloads.
>
> It uses yum which should handle that. You should file a RFE if you are
> talking about something different.

Implementing these would be a start:

https://fedorahosted.org/preupgrade/ticket/7
https://fedorahosted.org/preupgrade/ticket/8

When I see those tickets closed I'll review Preupgade again to see if there's
more to do to make it secure.

Björn Persson
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Folks,

I was looking at the wiki for information on upgrading Fedora 9 to
Fedora 10 using preupgrade and noticed that all the docs are out of
date. I don't mind helping, but perhaps one of the original authors
would like to update the wiki with anything relevant to F10 (F11).

Jon.


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