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Mohd Rukhairy 11-26-2010 04:25 AM

design-team Digest, Vol 19, Issue 11
 
Hello everyone,
I'm new here, and I haven't been active in any project so far, but the fedora rpg badge looks really interesting, and i hope that i could give a little help on that, especially on the design part. I'm looking forward to *start working with everyone.

Have a nice day.

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Today's Topics:



* 1. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Vinzenz Vietzke)

* 2. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Misha Shnurapet)

* 3. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Nicu Buculei)

* 4. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Vinzenz Vietzke)

* 5. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Nicu Buculei)

* 6. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Vinzenz Vietzke)

* 7. Fedora RPG Badge (Fabian A. Scherschel)

* 8. Re: Fedora RPG Badge (ppapadeas@gmail.com)

* 9. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Jef van Schendel)





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Message: 1

Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 23:07:19 +0100

From: Vinzenz Vietzke <vinz@fedoraproject.org>

Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage

To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org>

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Hi Jef,



Am 24.11.2010 21:02, schrieb Jef van Schendel:

> So my suggestion is to put both of these concepts together and make one

> really fantastic Start page.:)

Here we go! :)



> - We'd like to use the same footer across all the different Fedora websites,

> so I think we should keep that. It's big and has a lot of content, but on

> the other hand it's content that fits really well on a Start page. Also, we

> can remove the Release Notes, Join, etc links if we use that footer.

I think using the same footer on "regular" websites like www.fpo or

get.fpo is absolutely necessary. But on such a special site like

start.fpo I think it would be better not to "rush" the user with

content. Especially new users would just get struck by all this

information and would overlook the search bar as core functionality.



>

> - As I said I love the CC icons as filters, but they could be a little

> closer to the actual search bar, so it's clear what they're used for. I

> think the "dropdown + button + CC logo" combo I currently have in place

> looks ugly, so maybe we can simply put them there?

Sounds good to me. Have a look: [2]

>

> - I'm not sure what to do about the RSS feeds. Initially I resisted against

> adding them, because I felt the page would go from a clean and simple Start

> page to a full-blown hub. On the other hand, they contain a lot of good and

> up-to-date information about what's happening in the community. What do you

> (and others who want to join in!) think, are they valuable enough to keep?

> Or is it a step too far?

Maybe we should talk about two different sites:

* welcome.fedoraproject.org

Think of it looking like my v3 with a "compressed" standard footer. [1]

This site should only contain the searching functionality since it's

intended as browser home page.

The only additional function I'd add would be a link named "switch to

daily start page" or so, which updates the browser home page to a

start.fedoraproject.org variant as stated below.



* start.fedoraproject.org

On this site I'd place things like RSS feeds, tweets, rotating photo

galleries etc. Something like a portal but only with aggregated content

so no daily maintenance would be needed.

Perhaps pushing planet.fpo unfiltered to this site should be rethought

since there are sometimes quite useless postings like "i have voted" or

so. Maybe someone should pick the 20-30 most "valuable" ones and tell

the blog owners about the fact that their posts will appear on

start.fpo. In this way a little quality assurance would be given.



vinz.



[1] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/start.fpo/compressed-footer.png

[2] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/start.fpo/v4.png

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Vinzenz Vietzke

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Message: 2

Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:13:04 +0800

From: Misha Shnurapet <shnurapet@fedoraproject.org>

Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage

To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org>

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25.11.2010, 06:07, "Vinzenz Vietzke" <vinz@fedoraproject.org>:

> I think using the same footer on "regular" websites like www.fpo or

> get.fpo is absolutely necessary. But on such a special site like

> start.fpo I think it would be better not to "rush" the user with

> content. Especially new users would just get struck by all this

> information and would overlook the search bar as core functionality.



I also think that a start page should be as clean as possible and only contain a branded search bar [1], [2].



[1] http://www.google.ru/firefox

[2] http://firefox.yandex.ru/



25.11.2010, 04:02, "Jef van Schendel" <jefvanschendel@gmail.com>:

> - As I said I love the CC icons as filters, but they could be a little closer to the actual search bar, so it's clear what they're used for. I think the "dropdown + button + CC logo" combo I currently have in place looks ugly, so maybe we can simply put them there?




Agree, a good place for switchers would be right under the search bar.



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Misha Shnurapet, Fedora Project Contributor

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Message: 3

Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 09:27:03 +0200

From: Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro>

Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage

To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org>

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On 11/24/2010 10:02 PM, Jef van Schendel wrote:

> I made a mockup [1] which has the same content as the current Start

> page, but with the redesigned header and footer. Together with Sijis I

> put together a working prototype [2]. As you can see we added two RSS

> feeds to the page with announcements and Fedora Planet posts.

>

> Looking back I don't think I announced any of this on the Websites or

> Design Team mailing lists, which wasn't smart. After all, if it's not on

> the list, it didn't happen. ;)



That's so true... :)



> - I think the Board has talked before about changing the content and

> function of start.fpo, but I can't remember what the consensus was. This

> is why I kept the current content and only worked on the appearance

> (just like you did). I think that's the best way to go for now. We can

> always change it in the future.



IIRC, there was no consensus reached.

An important amount of people have concerns about us relying

on/promoting a proprietary service. There are also voices saying some

other projects receive money from Google for something like this. And

other voices pointing to the little value of having a Google search when

the default browser (Firefox) has the search box inside its UI.



--

nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/





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Message: 4

Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:03:24 +0100

From: Vinzenz Vietzke <vinz@fedoraproject.org>

Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage

To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org>

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Am 25.11.2010 08:27, schrieb Nicu Buculei:

> IIRC, there was no consensus reached.

> An important amount of people have concerns about us relying

> on/promoting a proprietary service. There are also voices saying some

> other projects receive money from Google for something like this. And

> other voices pointing to the little value of having a Google search when

> the default browser (Firefox) has the search box inside its UI.

1) Switching to some more free/libre web search is a honorable idea, but

IMHO there is no service around which is nearly as stable and as

reliable as google, yahoo, bing and so on. Projects like yacy are good

efforts to offer independent ways of searching but with a start page for

new users we should have an eye on highest reliability.



2) That's right. Ubuntu is earning money from Google and even from

Microsoft for placing Bing second on the search field. I think that can

cut both ways: On the one hand you get money for your project and can

"do something good". But on the other hand you leave the noble goals a

bit behind or even sell a piece of your soul. ;-)

At the moment Fedora is promoting Google. But why not take money for that?



3) The search field in Firefox is nice for users which are used to it.

But for the absolutely new user a big friendly search box in the middle

is much more comfortable.



vinz.

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Message: 5

Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:11:42 +0200

From: Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro>

Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage

To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org>

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On 11/25/2010 11:03 AM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:

> Am 25.11.2010 08:27, schrieb Nicu Buculei:

>> IIRC, there was no consensus reached.

>> An important amount of people have concerns about us relying

>> on/promoting a proprietary service. There are also voices saying some

>> other projects receive money from Google for something like this. And

>> other voices pointing to the little value of having a Google search when

>> the default browser (Firefox) has the search box inside its UI.

> 1) Switching to some more free/libre web search is a honorable idea, but

> IMHO there is no service around which is nearly as stable and as

> reliable as google, yahoo, bing and so on. Projects like yacy are good

> efforts to offer independent ways of searching but with a start page for

> new users we should have an eye on highest reliability.



This is the Board decision to make and I remember all those points were

raised in that discussion.



> 2) That's right. Ubuntu is earning money from Google and even from

> Microsoft for placing Bing second on the search field. I think that can

> cut both ways: On the one hand you get money for your project and can

> "do something good". But on the other hand you leave the noble goals a

> bit behind or even sell a piece of your soul. ;-)

> At the moment Fedora is promoting Google. But why not take money for that?



Apparently we bring them an amount of users little enough to worth money.



--

nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/





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Message: 6

Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:03:11 +0100

From: Vinzenz Vietzke <vinz@fedoraproject.org>

Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage

To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org>

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Am 25.11.2010 10:11, schrieb Nicu Buculei:

>> At the moment Fedora is promoting Google. But why not take money for that?

> Apparently we bring them an amount of users little enough to worth money.

>

Oh well... Should have thought of that. :)

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Message: 7

Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 21:45:35 +0100

From: "Fabian A. Scherschel" <fab@sixgun.org>

Subject: [Design-team] Fedora RPG Badge

To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org>

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Hi, folks!



As promised, if woefully late (sorry, been busy killing people on stage), my

first sketch for the PSN-like Fedora RPG badge we discussed some time ago.

Feel free to comment and whip me around for my lame panda-drawing skills....



http://fabsh.fedorapeople.org/rpg/fedora-rpg-badge1.png





Toodle pip!

Fab

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Message: 8

Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 22:50:41 +0200

From: "ppapadeas@gmail.com" <ppapadeas@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Design-team] Fedora RPG Badge

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On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Fabian A. Scherschel <fab@sixgun.org> wrote:

> Hi, folks!

> As promised, if woefully late (sorry, been busy killing people on stage), my

> first sketch for the PSN-like Fedora RPG badge we discussed some time ago.

> Feel free to comment and whip me around for my lame panda-drawing skills....

> http://fabsh.fedorapeople.org/rpg/fedora-rpg-badge1.png



Absolutely lovable!



One little suggestion though... The "short tagline" should be on the

right side so the picture can be 100% of the height of the box.



Still your panda is nice :P :)



~?





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Pierros Papadeas

PGP key: 0x6130DBF8

http://pierros.papadeas.gr

pierros@papadeas.gr

liknus @ GRnet , Freenode





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Message: 9

Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 22:19:43 +0100

From: Jef van Schendel <jefvanschendel@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage

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2010/11/24 Vinzenz Vietzke <vinz@fedoraproject.org>

>

> I think using the same footer on "regular" websites like www.fpo or

> get.fpo is absolutely necessary. But on such a special site like

> start.fpo I think it would be better not to "rush" the user with

> content. Especially new users would just get struck by all this

> information and would overlook the search bar as core functionality.

>



Maybe we should talk about two different sites:

> * welcome.fedoraproject.org

> Think of it looking like my v3 with a "compressed" standard footer. [1]

> This site should only contain the searching functionality since it's

> intended as browser home page.

>



Agreed on the rushing, that's definitely an issue. However I'm not sure a

compressed footer is the best thing to do, since that means we've got two

different ones and it'll be even harder to get them consistent across all

websites. Also, most of the links in your mockup footer are also in the

header on www.fpo. If we only want to have those, we could also use the

existing menu bar somewhere, as in [1].



I tried to get the search functionality front and center, without removing

the footer in [2]. We can easily make the footer stick to the bottom of the

screen, so it gets out of the way but is still there if you need it. By

putting the search bar right in the middle of the screen, it's still the

most prominent object on the page.



Another option is to hide the footer a bit. I tried making that div's

position absolute and putting the top at 90%. Doing this, only the very top

part is visible on your screen and the rest when you scroll down. I'm not

sure that's a good option though, it looks quite strange, as if something

went wrong.





> The only additional function I'd add would be a link named "switch to

> daily start page" or so, which updates the browser home page to a

> start.fedoraproject.org variant as stated below.

>

> * start.fedoraproject.org

> On this site I'd place things like RSS feeds, tweets, rotating photo

> galleries etc. Something like a portal but only with aggregated content

> so no daily maintenance would be needed.

> Perhaps pushing planet.fpo unfiltered to this site should be rethought

> since there are sometimes quite useless postings like "i have voted" or

> so. Maybe someone should pick the 20-30 most "valuable" ones and tell

> the blog owners about the fact that their posts will appear on

> start.fpo. In this way a little quality assurance would be given.

>



*Actually there's already a page that has most of that, the Community page

on www.fpo. We designed that just as you describe, as a kind of hub for

community information.



Thus, I think it's best to keep all of that on the Community page, and

remove the feeds from start.fpo again. It really adds too much noise IMO.





Anyway, I'll give it some more thought next week.





As for the Google topic, those are all valid points but it's probably

something to discuss on a different list. For now, I think the content is

good enough: everybody is familiar with Google, and the CC filters add a

nice touch that for instance Firefox's search bar doesn't provide. I just

want to give start.fpo a quick facelift. :)



Jef



[1] http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/temp/menubar.png

[2] http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/temp/start1.png

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