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Ray Strode 10-24-2008 01:49 PM

Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place
 
Hi guys,

Plymouth recently got a bug report about the progress bar in the Solar
boot plugin. The styling of the progress bar doesn't really match the
surrounding artwork.


Charlie mentioned on the bug report that this was to match the Nodoka
theme. I think it doesn't really work because progress bars in Nodoka
are normally on a solid gray background surrounded by other on screen
controls.


Do you guys think that you could do a more stylized one that fits in
with the surrounding artwork?


Charlie had a prototype idea here:

http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar.jpg <http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/%7Ebrejc8/temp/progress_bar.jpg>

what we have now is this:

http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar2.jpg


From a comment on the bug report, I think this thread may be a rehash of an old discussion, but I can't find it in the archives.


--Ray

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Máirín Duffy 10-24-2008 01:55 PM

Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place
 
Ray Strode wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> Plymouth recently got a bug report about the progress bar in the Solar
> boot plugin. The styling of the progress bar doesn't really match the
> surrounding artwork.
>
> Charlie mentioned on the bug report that this was to match the Nodoka
> theme. I think it doesn't really work because progress bars in Nodoka
> are normally on a solid gray background surrounded by other on screen
> controls.
>
> Do you guys think that you could do a more stylized one that fits in
> with the surrounding artwork?
>
> Charlie had a prototype idea here:
>
> http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar.jpg
> <http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/%7Ebrejc8/temp/progress_bar.jpg>
>
> what we have now is this:
>
> http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar2.jpg

I like Charlie's prototype, can we use that?

~m

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"Jóhann B. Guđmundsson" 10-24-2008 02:09 PM

Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place
 
Máirín Duffy wrote:

Ray Strode wrote:


Hi guys,

Plymouth recently got a bug report about the progress bar in the Solar
boot plugin. The styling of the progress bar doesn't really match the
surrounding artwork.

Charlie mentioned on the bug report that this was to match the Nodoka
theme. I think it doesn't really work because progress bars in Nodoka
are normally on a solid gray background surrounded by other on screen
controls.

Do you guys think that you could do a more stylized one that fits in
with the surrounding artwork?

Charlie had a prototype idea here:

http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar.jpg
<http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/%7Ebrejc8/temp/progress_bar.jpg>

what we have now is this:

http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar2.jpg



I like Charlie's prototype, can we use that?

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If the planets are rotating around the "sun" then that should be enough.
I say skip the progress bar...

"
Since it is, in general, impossible to know how long service startup
will take, we lie. We record the time it took to boot last time and run
the progress bar against that. There's a detail here which is that you
can't know that until you've mounted /, so we estimate something really
long initially and then once we load the time off the disk we lerp
between the estimate and the recorded time.

We also cheat in that the growth of the progress bar is intentionally
nonlinear, growing faster early and then slowing down towards the end.
This fools your brain into thinking it's going faster than it really is.
Usually the math works out such that you'll see the bar fully complete
for a second or two before switching to gdm or text console. But,
sometimes much longer, if this boot happens to take ten seconds longer
than last one then there's just not much we can do about that.

- ajax"



JBG

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Ray Strode 10-24-2008 02:19 PM

Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place
 
Hi,

If the planets are rotating around the "sun" then that should be enough.
I say skip the progress bar...
There are no planets anymore. They weren't a very intuitive indication
of boot progress.


Boot progress is pretty reliable now (thanks to Charlie), so a progress
bar is pretty important I think.


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Charlie Brej 10-24-2008 02:21 PM

Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place
 
Jóhann B. Guđmundsson wrote:

Máirín Duffy wrote:

Ray Strode wrote:


Hi guys,

Plymouth recently got a bug report about the progress bar in the Solar
boot plugin. The styling of the progress bar doesn't really match the
surrounding artwork.

Charlie mentioned on the bug report that this was to match the Nodoka
theme. I think it doesn't really work because progress bars in Nodoka
are normally on a solid gray background surrounded by other on screen
controls.

Do you guys think that you could do a more stylized one that fits in
with the surrounding artwork?

Charlie had a prototype idea here:

http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar.jpg
<http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/%7Ebrejc8/temp/progress_bar.jpg>

what we have now is this:

http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar2.jpg



I like Charlie's prototype, can we use that?

~m

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If the planets are rotating around the "sun" then that should be enough.
I say skip the progress bar...



Actually the planets are no longer there because they dont give a clear
indication of the progress. I removed them since taking the screenshots.

I'm just playing with using the planet image but its not that good:
http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar3.jpg

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Ray Strode 10-24-2008 02:23 PM

Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place
 
Hi,

> Plymouth recently got a bug report about the progress bar in the Solar
> boot plugin. The styling of the progress bar doesn't really match the
> surrounding artwork.
>
> Charlie mentioned on the bug report that this was to match the Nodoka

> theme. I think it doesn't really work because progress bars in Nodoka
> are normally on a solid gray background surrounded by other on screen
> controls.
>
> Do you guys think that you could do a more stylized one that fits in

> with the surrounding artwork?
>
> Charlie had a prototype idea here:
>
> http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar.jpg

> <http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/%7Ebrejc8/temp/progress_bar.jpg>
>
> what we have now is this:
>
> http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar2.jpg


I like Charlie's prototype, can we use that?

I'm okay with it. What do other people think?

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Máirín Duffy 10-24-2008 02:38 PM

Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place
 
Hey Charlie,

Charlie Brej wrote:
> Actually the planets are no longer there because they dont give a clear
> indication of the progress. I removed them since taking the screenshots.
> I'm just playing with using the planet image but its not that good:
> http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar3.jpg

Can you use the white version of the Fedora logotype instead
of the blue? We don't normally allow a glow behind the logo.
I'll send you a copy of the white logo privately. If there
isn't enough contrast for the logomark/infinity symbol in
the upper left corner mraybe try the lower left corner?

What kind of specifications do you have for the artwork for
the progress bar? Can you use just a flat image for the
background? I could take a shot at putting something together?

~m

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Jaroslav Reznik 10-24-2008 02:46 PM

Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place
 
----- "Máirín Duffy" <duffy@fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> Hey Charlie,
>
> Charlie Brej wrote:
> > Actually the planets are no longer there because they dont give a
> clear
> > indication of the progress. I removed them since taking the
> screenshots.
> > I'm just playing with using the planet image but its not that good:
> > http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar3.jpg
>
> Can you use the white version of the Fedora logotype instead
> of the blue? We don't normally allow a glow behind the logo.
> I'll send you a copy of the white logo privately. If there
> isn't enough contrast for the logomark/infinity symbol in
> the upper left corner mraybe try the lower left corner?
>
> What kind of specifications do you have for the artwork for
> the progress bar? Can you use just a flat image for the
> background? I could take a shot at putting something together?

For KDE splash we have small progress bar which should evoke
comet in the space with Fedora logo. And of course there
are other small comets and stars flashing around :)
Just like Solar system ;-)

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8924/screenshot1xq4.png

R.
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Software Engineer - Base OS Core Services Brno
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Ray Strode 10-24-2008 02:52 PM

Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place
 
Hi,
For KDE splash we have small progress bar which should evoke
comet in the space with Fedora logo. And of course there

are other small comets and stars flashing around :)
Just like Solar system ;-)


http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8924/screenshot1xq4.png


That's a cool idea.

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Máirín Duffy 10-24-2008 02:53 PM

Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place
 
Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> ----- "Máirín Duffy" <duffy@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
>> Hey Charlie,
>>
>> Charlie Brej wrote:
>>> Actually the planets are no longer there because they dont give a
>> clear
>>> indication of the progress. I removed them since taking the
>> screenshots.
>>> I'm just playing with using the planet image but its not that good:
>>> http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar3.jpg
>> Can you use the white version of the Fedora logotype instead
>> of the blue? We don't normally allow a glow behind the logo.
>> I'll send you a copy of the white logo privately. If there
>> isn't enough contrast for the logomark/infinity symbol in
>> the upper left corner mraybe try the lower left corner?
>>
>> What kind of specifications do you have for the artwork for
>> the progress bar? Can you use just a flat image for the
>> background? I could take a shot at putting something together?
>
> For KDE splash we have small progress bar which should evoke
> comet in the space with Fedora logo. And of course there
> are other small comets and stars flashing around :)
> Just like Solar system ;-)
>
> http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8924/screenshot1xq4.png

Oooh! Actually that one is my favorite. Is that something
you could do, Charlie?

~m

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