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Old 10-16-2008, 07:21 PM
Máirín Duffy
 
Default Addressing ticket #25 with revamped keyboard + shortcut variant

Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
> Addressing bug #25 [1] from Echo website, preferences-desktop-keyboard
> and input-keyboard ha been redesigned. After reading Mo's critic about
> Echo, I noticed input-keyboard from System-> Preferences->Hardware
> ->Keyboard has a wrong icon (Green e button) and should use the plain
> keyboard.
> Without delay, here is these icons

the 16x16 icon has muddy icons and looks blurry. I would try
again to align it to the pixel grid.

The next larger one (22x22?) suffers the same muddiness of
outlines. I think a flat perspective would be more
appropriate, or maybe removing some of the keys.

The next largest icon (32x32?) has some aliasing/awkwardness
inbetween the ec and ho rows. i would suggest collapsing the
border into one clear line.

Overall the key caps aren't really deep enough to look like
keys. They look like lettered white gum chiclets to me.

~m

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Old 10-17-2008, 09:54 AM
Luya Tshimbalanga
 
Default Addressing ticket #25 with revamped keyboard + shortcut variant

Máirín Duffy a écrit :
> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
>
> the 16x16 icon has muddy icons and looks blurry. I would try
> again to align it to the pixel grid.
>
> The next larger one (22x22?) suffers the same muddiness of
> outlines. I think a flat perspective would be more
> appropriate, or maybe removing some of the keys.
>
> The next largest icon (32x32?) has some aliasing/awkwardness
> inbetween the ec and ho rows. i would suggest collapsing the
> border into one clear line.
>
> Overall the key caps aren't really deep enough to look like
> keys. They look like lettered white gum chiclets to me.
>
>
Some calculators have similar keyboard.
Added depth adn alignment to the grid should be fixed.

Luya

References:
----------------
http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/applications/

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Old 10-17-2008, 10:26 AM
Martin Sourada
 
Default Addressing ticket #25 with revamped keyboard + shortcut variant

On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 02:54 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
> Some calculators have similar keyboard.
> Added depth adn alignment to the grid should be fixed.
>
> Luya
>
> References:
> ----------------
> http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/applications/

To me, everything below 32x32 is almost unreadable. The side of the keys
is too dark and as a result outline gets lost there. Did you tried
making the key shape a little pyramid-like? I'd suggest to bring the
keys closer, or even join them together in the smallest sizes. The 16x16
really does not look at all like keyboard.

You could perhaps try classical approach - whole keyboard, with key
labels only on the 256x256 version. The shape is pretty easy to
recognise even at small sizes and details are not much necessary there,
you just need to make it look like keyboard ;-) You might even reuse
(with slight edits, more detailed 256x256 version and different oriented
16x16 version - top look on the keyboard) the keyboard from the computer
icon.

The a-few-keys approach might on the other side work good for input
method or shortcuts, but I'd make the keys more
computer/laptop-keyboard-like and perhaps even omit the text, which is
unreadable at small sizes.

Just for the record, in rawhide correct icon is used already
(preferences-desktop-keyboard).

Martin
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Old 10-18-2008, 03:59 AM
Luya Tshimbalanga
 
Default Addressing ticket #25 with revamped keyboard + shortcut variant

Martin Sourada a écrit :
>
> To me, everything below 32x32 is almost unreadable. The side of the keys
> is too dark and as a result outline gets lost there. Did you tried
> making the key shape a little pyramid-like? I'd suggest to bring the
> keys closer, or even join them together in the smallest sizes. The 16x16
> really does not look at all like keyboard.
>
Did for preferences-desktop-keyboard-shortcut.
> You could perhaps try classical approach - whole keyboard, with key
> labels only on the 256x256 version. The shape is pretty easy to
> recognise even at small sizes and details are not much necessary there,
> you just need to make it look like keyboard ;-) You might even reuse
> (with slight edits, more detailed 256x256 version and different oriented
> 16x16 version - top look on the keyboard) the keyboard from the computer
> icon.
>
>
Using that approach, 32x32 and above looks like. I had to simplified
22x22 and 16x16 for the keyboard.

Luya

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http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/applications/



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Old 10-18-2008, 08:57 AM
Martin Sourada
 
Default Addressing ticket #25 with revamped keyboard + shortcut variant

On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 20:59 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
> Did for preferences-desktop-keyboard-shortcut.
The side and top faces are too dark --> outline not visible. I'd made
the keys look more computer keyboard like, but these are probably fine
as well, if you make the lighting corrections mentioned above. The 32x32
and bellow are blurry. For 32x32 it would be probably sufficient to play
with the positioning/sizes to fix this, for 22x22 and bellow, I'd "join"
the keys together (i.e. bring them close enough so that the gap between
them would be just 1px thick outline). I'd drop the bottom row.

> > You could perhaps try classical approach - whole keyboard, with key
> > labels only on the 256x256 version. The shape is pretty easy to
> > recognise even at small sizes and details are not much necessary there,
> > you just need to make it look like keyboard ;-) You might even reuse
> > (with slight edits, more detailed 256x256 version and different oriented
> > 16x16 version - top look on the keyboard) the keyboard from the computer
> > icon.
> >
> >
> Using that approach, 32x32 and above looks like. I had to simplified
> 22x22 and 16x16 for the keyboard.
>
It would work better if you added a cord to the design. 22x22 probably
needs further simplification, 16x16 lacks clarity. I'd suggest you use
about the same amount of detail both for 16x16 and 22x22, since the
current 16x16, even though blurry, suggest better than the 22x22 that
it's actually a keyboard. For 256x256 I'd suggest making more detailed
design, where the keys would not be just painted on the keyboard, but
objects by themselves.

You can probably use the same design for input-keyboard as well. The
only difference is that while input-keyboard is a device icon,
preferences-desktop-keyboard is used for symbolising configuration of
the keyboard.

There's also icon for System->Preferences->Personal->Input Method
(preferences-desktop-input), I think the bluecurve metaphor might work
for echo as well.

Martin
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