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Old 10-04-2012, 12:11 PM
Bohuslav Kabrda
 
Default fedora non-released buildsys

----- Original Message -----
> ----- Original Message -----
> > Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:
> > > BTW, so far we're calling this project BuildSys/PrivateRepos, but
> > > we may also need a better name...
> >
> > This project sounds very similar to Ubuntu PPA repos. IMHO we
> > should
> > call it the same thing.
>
> Yep, it is very similar - but wouldn't calling it the same cause some
> legal questions/issues? I think that the safest way would be
> creating a name and then consulting people from legal, so that we
> don't get into any kind of trouble.
>

Ok, so I'm accepting suggestions for name of this project. Please reply to this mail with your name ideas. After some time (a week?) I'll take the suggestions to some legal people and then we shall vote for the winner I hope that this is ok with everyone.

Thanks,
Slavek.

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Old 10-04-2012, 12:51 PM
Stephen Gallagher
 
Default fedora non-released buildsys

On Thu 04 Oct 2012 08:11:59 AM EDT, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:

----- Original Message -----

----- Original Message -----

Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:

BTW, so far we're calling this project BuildSys/PrivateRepos, but
we may also need a better name...


This project sounds very similar to Ubuntu PPA repos. IMHO we
should
call it the same thing.


Yep, it is very similar - but wouldn't calling it the same cause some
legal questions/issues? I think that the safest way would be
creating a name and then consulting people from legal, so that we
don't get into any kind of trouble.



Ok, so I'm accepting suggestions for name of this project. Please reply to this mail with your name ideas. After some time (a week?) I'll take the suggestions to some legal people and then we shall vote for the winner I hope that this is ok with everyone.

Thanks,
Slavek.



Some off-the-cuff suggestions:

MadHatter (Traditionally, people who made hats/fedoras would often
suffer mental ailments due to the exposure to mercury)
Brim (Double meaning: the "brim" is part of the hat, and we're also
"brimming" with contributions)



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Old 10-04-2012, 01:02 PM
Michael Cronenworth
 
Default fedora non-released buildsys

Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:
> Ok, so I'm accepting suggestions for name of this project. Please reply to this mail with your name ideas. After some time (a week?) I'll take the suggestions to some legal people and then we shall vote for the winner I hope that this is ok with everyone.

FPA (Fedora Package Archive)
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:16 PM
Seth Vidal
 
Default fedora non-released buildsys

On Thu, 4 Oct 2012, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:


----- Original Message -----

----- Original Message -----

Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:

BTW, so far we're calling this project BuildSys/PrivateRepos, but
we may also need a better name...


This project sounds very similar to Ubuntu PPA repos. IMHO we
should
call it the same thing.


Yep, it is very similar - but wouldn't calling it the same cause some
legal questions/issues? I think that the safest way would be
creating a name and then consulting people from legal, so that we
don't get into any kind of trouble.



Ok, so I'm accepting suggestions for name of this project. Please reply to this mail with your name ideas. After some time (a week?) I'll take the suggestions to some legal people and then we shall vote for the winner I hope that this is ok with everyone.




this project has had a name for a long time: coprs

http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2012/07/26/coprsbuildsystems/

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Old 10-04-2012, 01:51 PM
Bohuslav Kabrda
 
Default fedora non-released buildsys

----- Original Message -----
>
>
>
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2012, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:
> >>>> BTW, so far we're calling this project BuildSys/PrivateRepos,
> >>>> but
> >>>> we may also need a better name...
> >>>
> >>> This project sounds very similar to Ubuntu PPA repos. IMHO we
> >>> should
> >>> call it the same thing.
> >>
> >> Yep, it is very similar - but wouldn't calling it the same cause
> >> some
> >> legal questions/issues? I think that the safest way would be
> >> creating a name and then consulting people from legal, so that we
> >> don't get into any kind of trouble.
> >>
> >
> > Ok, so I'm accepting suggestions for name of this project. Please
> > reply to this mail with your name ideas. After some time (a week?)
> > I'll take the suggestions to some legal people and then we shall
> > vote for the winner I hope that this is ok with everyone.
> >
>
>
> this project has had a name for a long time: coprs
>
> http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2012/07/26/coprsbuildsystems/
>
> -sv
>

Oh, sorry, I didn't know that this name was intended for the whole system, I probably misunderstood you... Would you mind changing it, if anyone else came with something super-cool? Personally, I'm starting to like MadHatter...

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Old 10-04-2012, 01:53 PM
Seth Vidal
 
Default fedora non-released buildsys

On Thu, 4 Oct 2012, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:




----- Original Message -----




On Thu, 4 Oct 2012, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:


----- Original Message -----

----- Original Message -----

Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:

BTW, so far we're calling this project BuildSys/PrivateRepos,
but
we may also need a better name...


This project sounds very similar to Ubuntu PPA repos. IMHO we
should
call it the same thing.


Yep, it is very similar - but wouldn't calling it the same cause
some
legal questions/issues? I think that the safest way would be
creating a name and then consulting people from legal, so that we
don't get into any kind of trouble.



Ok, so I'm accepting suggestions for name of this project. Please
reply to this mail with your name ideas. After some time (a week?)
I'll take the suggestions to some legal people and then we shall
vote for the winner I hope that this is ok with everyone.




this project has had a name for a long time: coprs

http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2012/07/26/coprsbuildsystems/

-sv



Oh, sorry, I didn't know that this name was intended for the whole system, I probably misunderstood you... Would you mind changing it, if anyone else came with something super-cool? Personally, I'm starting to like MadHatter...



I can almost guarantee to you that madhatter is not acceptable for
copyright and trademark reasons.


We chose a non-word on purpose.

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Old 10-05-2012, 01:07 PM
Moray Henderson
 
Default fedora non-released buildsys

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Vidal [mailto:skvidal@fedoraproject.org]
> Sent: 04 October 2012 14:54
> To: Bohuslav Kabrda
> Cc: Discussion of Fedora build system
> Subject: Re: fedora non-released buildsys
>
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2012, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> On Thu, 4 Oct 2012, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:
> >>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:
> >>>>>> BTW, so far we're calling this project BuildSys/PrivateRepos,
> but
> >>>>>> we may also need a better name...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This project sounds very similar to Ubuntu PPA repos. IMHO we
> >>>>> should call it the same thing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yep, it is very similar - but wouldn't calling it the same cause
> >>>> some legal questions/issues? I think that the safest way would be
> >>>> creating a name and then consulting people from legal, so that we
> >>>> don't get into any kind of trouble.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Ok, so I'm accepting suggestions for name of this project. Please
> >>> reply to this mail with your name ideas. After some time (a week?)
> >>> I'll take the suggestions to some legal people and then we shall
> >>> vote for the winner I hope that this is ok with everyone.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> this project has had a name for a long time: coprs
> >>
> >> http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2012/07/26/coprsbuildsystems/
> >>
> >> -sv
> >>
> >
> > Oh, sorry, I didn't know that this name was intended for the whole
> system, I probably misunderstood you... Would you mind changing it, if
> anyone else came with something super-cool? Personally, I'm starting to
> like MadHatter...
> >
>
> I can almost guarantee to you that madhatter is not acceptable for
> copyright and trademark reasons.
>
> We chose a non-word on purpose.
>
> -sv

Teaparty?


Moray.
"To err is human; to purr, feline."





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Old 10-15-2012, 03:15 PM
Anthony Towns
 
Default fedora non-released buildsys

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Seth Vidal" <skvidal@fedoraproject.org>

> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Skvidal/BuildSystem

Interesting stuff!

> When last this was discussed the koji maintainers were fairly
> adamant that the above use cases was definitely outside
> of the scope and goals of koji (which is entirely appropriate given
> what koji does and how it does it).

The page above talks about modifying kojira and using koji builders; are you thinking of expanding the koji source or adding plugins or similar to allow running a different type of service on a separate machine to koji.fedoraproject.org but based on the koji code; or would "outside koji's scope" mean redoing the code to have an entirely independent coprhub/coprbuilder setup and so on?

What's the expected lifetime of repos and packages within copr repos? It's potentially long term, right? eg build an add-on for f18 during f18's beta, and keep it around until f18 hits end of life? That seems the biggest departure from koji scratch builds; and the potential for different builds with the same nvr is obviously the biggest departure from koji's normal concept of builds.

Is it a desirable feature to be able to pull in a prebuilt rpm that someone else has built in their own copr -- if you've already spent five days getting the latest libreoffice backported to f15 for arm in a copr, and I want to build something on top of that, it seems a waste to do a five day rebuild; but on the other hand, if copr/koji doesn't keep track of all the old builds, how could it tell I'm giving it a legitimate previously-built-from-source rpm, and not a GPL-violating, malware loaded, evil binary-only rpm of doom for it to install in the build root?

BTW, https://copr-skvidal.rhcloud.com/ links go to http://coprs.fedoraproject.org/repos/... which don't seem to work at the moment? Is that deliberate, or a url bug?

FWIW, to me this seems about as within koji's scope as the maven support is -- maybe it means database changes and different builder setup and isn't something that Fedora supports per se, but it's still providing a controlled system for doing builds and managing the results... YMMV obviously!

Cheers,
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Old 10-15-2012, 03:35 PM
Seth Vidal
 
Default fedora non-released buildsys

On Mon, 15 Oct 2012, Anthony Towns wrote:


----- Original Message -----

From: "Seth Vidal" <skvidal@fedoraproject.org>



https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Skvidal/BuildSystem


Interesting stuff!


When last this was discussed the koji maintainers were fairly
adamant that the above use cases was definitely outside
of the scope and goals of koji (which is entirely appropriate given
what koji does and how it does it).


The page above talks about modifying kojira and using koji builders; are
you thinking of expanding the koji source or adding plugins or similar
to allow running a different type of service on a separate machine to
koji.fedoraproject.org but based on the koji code; or would "outside
koji's scope" mean redoing the code to have an entirely independent
coprhub/coprbuilder setup and so on?



no - the goal of that is just to make koji builders more flexible so you
can add/remove them without having to jump through a bucnh of hoops. This
would give us more instances to use for either koji or these builds simply
by recreating the instance with a different profile.


Right now our builders require this ridiculously manual step of disabling
the koji builder, waiting for builds to finish, then being able to
reinstall/repurpose the instance. I'd prefer koji handles builder death
more gracefully. Right now it cannot cope without manual intervention.



What's the expected lifetime of repos and packages within copr repos?
It's potentially long term, right? eg build an add-on for f18 during
f18's beta, and keep it around until f18 hits end of life? That seems
the biggest departure from koji scratch builds; and the potential for
different builds with the same nvr is obviously the biggest departure
from koji's normal concept of builds.


A while. We've not settled on a time for those. Additionally, we support
external repos for the build process. External, untrusted, repos.






Is it a desirable feature to be able to pull in a prebuilt rpm that
someone else has built in their own copr -- if you've already spent five
days getting the latest libreoffice backported to f15 for arm in a copr,
and I want to build something on top of that, it seems a waste to do a
five day rebuild; but on the other hand, if copr/koji doesn't keep track
of all the old builds, how could it tell I'm giving it a legitimate
previously-built-from-source rpm, and not a GPL-violating, malware
loaded, evil binary-only rpm of doom for it to install in the build
root?


Yes - the coprs takes additional external repos and koji doesn't.

Coprs doesn't try to know about the repo or about the pkgs. They are
entirely untrusted. The source rpms will be checked for appropriate
licensing. But for packages which are buildrequirements I don't see how
that's important. We're not hosting or making them available.


Support for untrusted repos is why the builders have to be disposable.

You want to infect/damage a private cloud instance? great - have a
blast - it will last until the timeout for builds (1 hour) or it until your build
completes - at which point it will be terminated.


That's the whole reason we have laid it out this way.


BTW, https://copr-skvidal.rhcloud.com/ links go to
http://coprs.fedoraproject.org/repos/... which don't seem to work at the
moment? Is that deliberate, or a url bug?



Doesn't for me. It goes to the copr-skvidal.rhcloud.com page.



FWIW, to me this seems about as within koji's scope as the maven support
is -- maybe it means database changes and different builder setup and
isn't something that Fedora supports per se, but it's still providing a
controlled system for doing builds and managing the results... YMMV
obviously!





Not sure who you've talked with about this but the layout of koji makes
this pretty much impossible. Moreover we do not want to have to know what
the external repos are before we build from them. And we want to protect
our official builds from any possible compromising package.


-sv

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