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Old 06-02-2008, 06:02 PM
Greg Dekoenigsberg
 
Default ccMixter up for grabs

http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/8323

So. Let's say that Red Hat could find a full-time head to manage this.

Do we think that we could come up with a community model to support
ccMixter?


--g

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Old 06-03-2008, 06:17 PM
"Luis Villa"
 
Default ccMixter up for grabs

Ambitious, and outside of fedora's current core competency. Still,
worth exploring, I think.

Luis

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Greg Dekoenigsberg <gdk@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/8323
>
> So. Let's say that Red Hat could find a full-time head to manage this.
>
> Do we think that we could come up with a community model to support
> ccMixter?
>
> --g
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:21 PM
Max Spevack
 
Default ccMixter up for grabs

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Luis Villa wrote:

Ambitious, and outside of fedora's current core competency. Still,
worth exploring, I think.


I love this email.

What are you up to these days, my friend? I suppose I could just read
your blog.


Is it really a year already since we sat around at the Durham Bulls
game? Man, time flies.


Hope to see you soon, somewhere!

--Max

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Old 06-03-2008, 09:15 PM
Max Spevack
 
Default ccMixter up for grabs

Sorry, that reply should have just gone to Luis.

--Max, mildly embarassed

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Max Spevack wrote:


On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Luis Villa wrote:

Ambitious, and outside of fedora's current core competency. Still,
worth exploring, I think.


I love this email.

What are you up to these days, my friend? I suppose I could just read
your blog.


Is it really a year already since we sat around at the Durham Bulls
game? Man, time flies.


Hope to see you soon, somewhere!

--Max


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Old 06-03-2008, 09:37 PM
Josh Boyer
 
Default ccMixter up for grabs

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:15:34 +0200 (CEST)
Max Spevack <mspevack@redhat.com> wrote:

> Sorry, that reply should have just gone to Luis.
>
> --Max, mildly embarassed

It's ok. We all miss Luis.

josh

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Old 06-04-2008, 05:28 AM
"Luis Villa"
 
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On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Luis Villa <luis@tieguy.org> wrote:
> Ambitious, and outside of fedora's current core competency. Still,
> worth exploring, I think.

Expanding on this a bit, since Max bizarrely seemed to love it, and
since the other thing I have to do tonight is writing out minutes
(boooooring.)

Fedora's core competency is, it seems to me, matching Red Hat
engineering expertise with community contributions to create products
that can be said, reasonably objectively, to work or not work.

Running ccmixter might have some critical differences. The following
are questions I have that probably could help determine whether or not
these differences exist and/or matter:

* 'community contributions': who is the ccmixter community? who in the
current fedora community has the right interests/skills to reach out
to the existing ccmixter community? to grow the ccmixter community?
Are the contributions to ccmixter similar in kind to fedora
contributions, or are they different in some way that matters?

* 'products': Fedora marketing and organization is built around the
release of software, primarily in large blobs (aka releases.)
ccmixter, at the moment, doesn't seem to release things that way:
AFAICS, it comes out in dribs and drabs (songs) rather than releases
(albums, radio stations). Does this matter?

* 'objectively work or not work': it has always seemed to me that the
reasonably objective nature of software (it works, or doesn't, roughly
speaking) helps free software processes. Obviously, musical 'goodness'
is more subjective. Does this matter?

* success: in focusing on core competencies, I'm blithely assuming
that Fedora is competent How does Fedora measure
success/competence? do those measures transfer over to ccmixter?

I do think that there is an obvious ideological alignment between
Fedora and ccmixter. But that can't be enough- there needs to be
pragmatic alignment as well. Hopefully these questions help stimulate
discussion about that pragmatic alignment.

Luis (I miss you too, Max

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Old 06-04-2008, 10:35 PM
"Karsten 'quaid' Wade"
 
Default ccMixter up for grabs

On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 14:02 -0400, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote:
> http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/8323
>
> So. Let's say that Red Hat could find a full-time head to manage this.
>
> Do we think that we could come up with a community model to support
> ccMixter?

Yes, but it would take a vision that could do battle with the places
where music's needs are not like other content we know about.

Also, having a community representative who can use and contribute back
to the music base is pretty key. Endorsements such as DJ Spooky would
be key to attracting new community.

Music source is one of the tough aspects here. People use tools with
formats that are varying degrees of usable/openable as tracks in another
program.

The barrier is too high with ccMixter being full of samples and pieces.
To grow a big enough community, we need to give budding musicians the
equivalent of "view source."

That's the kind of value I could see Fedora bringing -- big-scale, open
contributing communities, growing under the sun.

- Karsten
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