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Old 09-26-2012, 08:06 PM
Christoph Wickert
 
Default Fedora Board Recap 2012-09-26

Minutes:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-09-26/fedora_board.2012-09-26-18.30.html
Minutes (text):
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-09-26/fedora_board.2012-09-26-18.30.txt
Log:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-09-26/fedora_board.2012-09-26-18.30.log.html

=====================================
#fedora-meeting: Fedora Board Meeting
=====================================


Meeting started by Sparks at 18:30:01 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-09-26/fedora_board.2012-09-26-18.30.log.html
.



Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll Call (Sparks, 18:30:28)
* ke4qqq will not be here due to $dayjob requirements (Sparks,
18:31:32)
* rbergeron is somewhere and the Internets are somewhere else
(Sparks, 18:32:58)
* Sparks, abadger1999, cwickert, gholms, inode0, and jreznik are in
attendance. (Sparks, 18:36:18)

* Agenda (Sparks, 18:36:48)

* Announcements (Sparks, 18:37:40)
* Next Public Board IRC Meeting time/date confirmation: Wednesday,
October 10, 2012 @ 18:30 UTC (Sparks, 18:38:36)

* Open Q&A (Sparks, 18:39:26)

* Ticket #141: Keep better, open records of how Board members vote on
issues (Sparks, 18:41:48)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/141 (Sparks, 18:41:55)
* IDEA: Have a new trac instance for things that can be discussed in
public. (Sparks, 18:51:12)
* LINK: http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/PrivateCommentPlugin (gholms,
18:54:38)
* ACTION: cwickert to work with nirik to see if the Trac
PrivateCommentPlugin is a viable solution and bring back the results
to the next Board meeting. (Sparks, 18:58:19)
* IDEA: Have a new board-public mailing list. This list should either
be moderated by board members or not open for posting (possibly that
also means subscription... not sure what mailman2 allows). Archives
are definitely public. Unless a discussion needs to be private,
discussion should occur here. (Sparks, 19:02:13)
* The goal of the board-public list would be for board members to be
able to carry on public conversations with minimal distractions that
currently occur on the board-private list (gholms, 19:06:14)
* IDEA: We keep the lists the way they are now and really start using
the advisory-list more. (Sparks, 19:30:44)
* 4 +1, 1 0, 1 -1 (Sparks, 19:33:42)

* Release naming status (Sparks, 19:39:35)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/146 (jreznik,
19:41:24)

* Fedora 19 naming process (cwickert, 19:41:53)
* AGREED: The F19 naming will go as normal and a yet-to-be-determined
naming schema will be used for F20 (Sparks, 19:52:30)

* Open Q&A (Sparks, 19:53:35)
* ACTION: everyone on the board should consider ticket 145 for next
week's meeting (cwickert, 19:56:15)

Meeting ended at 19:59:14 UTC.

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Old 09-27-2012, 09:48 AM
Peter Robinson
 
Default Fedora Board Recap 2012-09-26

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Christoph Wickert
<christoph.wickert@gmail.com> wrote:
> Minutes:
> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-09-26/fedora_board.2012-09-26-18.30.html
> Minutes (text):
> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-09-26/fedora_board.2012-09-26-18.30.txt
> Log:
> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-09-26/fedora_board.2012-09-26-18.30.log.html
>
> =====================================
> #fedora-meeting: Fedora Board Meeting
> =====================================
>
>
> Meeting started by Sparks at 18:30:01 UTC. The full logs are available
> at
> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-09-26/fedora_board.2012-09-26-18.30.log.html
> .
>
>
>
> Meeting summary
> ---------------
> * Roll Call (Sparks, 18:30:28)
> * ke4qqq will not be here due to $dayjob requirements (Sparks,
> 18:31:32)
> * rbergeron is somewhere and the Internets are somewhere else
> (Sparks, 18:32:58)
> * Sparks, abadger1999, cwickert, gholms, inode0, and jreznik are in
> attendance. (Sparks, 18:36:18)
>
> * Agenda (Sparks, 18:36:48)
>
> * Announcements (Sparks, 18:37:40)
> * Next Public Board IRC Meeting time/date confirmation: Wednesday,
> October 10, 2012 @ 18:30 UTC (Sparks, 18:38:36)
>
> * Open Q&A (Sparks, 18:39:26)
>
> * Ticket #141: Keep better, open records of how Board members vote on
> issues (Sparks, 18:41:48)
> * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/141 (Sparks, 18:41:55)
> * IDEA: Have a new trac instance for things that can be discussed in
> public. (Sparks, 18:51:12)
> * LINK: http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/PrivateCommentPlugin (gholms,
> 18:54:38)
> * ACTION: cwickert to work with nirik to see if the Trac
> PrivateCommentPlugin is a viable solution and bring back the results
> to the next Board meeting. (Sparks, 18:58:19)
> * IDEA: Have a new board-public mailing list. This list should either
> be moderated by board members or not open for posting (possibly that
> also means subscription... not sure what mailman2 allows). Archives
> are definitely public. Unless a discussion needs to be private,
> discussion should occur here. (Sparks, 19:02:13)

Isn't that what the advisory-board list is for? I'm not sure a 3rd
list is going to fix the problem.

> * The goal of the board-public list would be for board members to be
> able to carry on public conversations with minimal distractions that
> currently occur on the board-private list (gholms, 19:06:14)
> * IDEA: We keep the lists the way they are now and really start using
> the advisory-list more. (Sparks, 19:30:44)
> * 4 +1, 1 0, 1 -1 (Sparks, 19:33:42)
>
> * Release naming status (Sparks, 19:39:35)
> * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/146 (jreznik,
> 19:41:24)
>
> * Fedora 19 naming process (cwickert, 19:41:53)
> * AGREED: The F19 naming will go as normal and a yet-to-be-determined
> naming schema will be used for F20 (Sparks, 19:52:30)
>
> * Open Q&A (Sparks, 19:53:35)
> * ACTION: everyone on the board should consider ticket 145 for next
> week's meeting (cwickert, 19:56:15)
>
> Meeting ended at 19:59:14 UTC.
>
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Old 09-27-2012, 10:39 AM
Christoph Wickert
 
Default Fedora Board Recap 2012-09-26

Am Donnerstag, den 27.09.2012, 10:48 +0100 schrieb Peter Robinson:
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Christoph Wickert
>
> > * Ticket #141: Keep better, open records of how Board members vote on
> > issues (Sparks, 18:41:48)
> > * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/141 (Sparks, 18:41:55)
> > * IDEA: Have a new trac instance for things that can be discussed in
> > public. (Sparks, 18:51:12)
> > * LINK: http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/PrivateCommentPlugin (gholms,
> > 18:54:38)
> > * ACTION: cwickert to work with nirik to see if the Trac
> > PrivateCommentPlugin is a viable solution and bring back the results
> > to the next Board meeting. (Sparks, 18:58:19)
> > * IDEA: Have a new board-public mailing list. This list should either
> > be moderated by board members or not open for posting (possibly that
> > also means subscription... not sure what mailman2 allows). Archives
> > are definitely public. Unless a discussion needs to be private,
> > discussion should occur here. (Sparks, 19:02:13)
>
> Isn't that what the advisory-board list is for? I'm not sure a 3rd
> list is going to fix the problem.

Right, that's the concern I brought up and many shared. That's why after
a longer discussion we agreed to:

> > * IDEA: We keep the lists the way they are now and really start using
> > the advisory-list more. (Sparks, 19:30:44)
> > * 4 +1, 1 0, 1 -1 (Sparks, 19:33:42)

Best regards,
Christoph


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Old 09-27-2012, 04:21 PM
Toshio Kuratomi
 
Default Fedora Board Recap 2012-09-26

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:39:26PM +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, den 27.09.2012, 10:48 +0100 schrieb Peter Robinson:
> > Isn't that what the advisory-board list is for? I'm not sure a 3rd
> > list is going to fix the problem.
>
> Right, that's the concern I brought up and many shared.
>
The argument on the other side is that advisory-board has not been
successfully used for that in the past. Members of the board often do not
discuss and come to consensus about hot-button issues on advisory-board. By
contrast, we managed to work out what to do about the Secure Boot issue on the
board-private list and even got many board members to vote on the proposals
there.

> That's why after
> a longer discussion we agreed to:
>

> > > * IDEA: We keep the lists the way they are now and really start using
> > > the advisory-list more. (Sparks, 19:30:44)
> > > * 4 +1, 1 0, 1 -1 (Sparks, 19:33:42)
>
Note: We didn't yet agree.... Need one more vote to pass. And for
having another list, we had +3 so the vote is pretty close.

We had a rule in fesco that we were only going to discuss things that really
were private on the -private list. For a long time, this rule was violated.
jwb and mjg spoke up in the board meeting to say that there are no longer
discussion threads on the fesco private list so that seems to have been
solved. The last solution I heard was that nirik was going to take
responsibility for telling people to move topics out to the -devel list
instead of using -private. If we're going to make this effective, I think
we'd need to make a similar rule and give someone (perhaps the FPL since
they have continuity beyond a Board election cycle) responsibility for
ending discussions on board-private.

-Toshio
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:03 PM
Kevin Fenzi
 
Default Fedora Board Recap 2012-09-26

On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 09:21:17 -0700
Toshio Kuratomi <a.badger@gmail.com> wrote:

...snip...

> We had a rule in fesco that we were only going to discuss things that
> really were private on the -private list. For a long time, this rule
> was violated. jwb and mjg spoke up in the board meeting to say that
> there are no longer discussion threads on the fesco private list so
> that seems to have been solved.

Yeah, the private list gets copied on all comments on the fesco trac.
Aside from those (already public) items, we have had so far in 2012:

5 posts from members about being on vacation/unable to attend.
1 post about administravia (member added to trac admin)
1 post direct to list in reply to a trac ticket
1 post telling the above person to comment on trac.
1 post to fesco/qa about a update in a freeze (in case it caused
release problems)
2 posts about meeting times

For a total of 11 posts this year.

> The last solution I heard was that
> nirik was going to take responsibility for telling people to move
> topics out to the -devel list instead of using -private. If we're
> going to make this effective, I think we'd need to make a similar
> rule and give someone (perhaps the FPL since they have continuity
> beyond a Board election cycle) responsibility for ending discussions
> on board-private.

Yeah, I haven't had to do that in a while, but I did do it a few times
last year I think. I think it gets easier when the convention is to
default to open instead of just posting privately.

kevin
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