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Old 05-22-2012, 10:16 PM
Mark Terranova
 
Default The hotdog debate continues. (Was: folks are still whining about names? Rly?)

“And on the 17th release he saw the name, and YAY, it *was* good.”


It recently dawned on me that some in Fedora have a goal of trying to make *everyone* happy. It’s NOT gonna happen. You are not engaged in *reality*. I would also suggest that you may not fully understand the greatness of the Fedora Project. We are NOT vanilla. We dont always take the *safe route*. We live on the edge, an edge that we usually forge ourselves. If you want to play everything safe, go ahead. I can point you to some very nice folks, in other Distros.


IMHO, we have 3 camps in the *naming debate*. In the middle we have some common sense folks that want to create a balance (the core design team as well as Inode0). The other two parts are extremists. I realized that some of the push was from revisionists, and those with *no sense of humor*. I have decided to take up the other extreme of defending ANY perceived attack on the GLORIOUS Beefy Miracle.


My offer to the other extreme; *stand down* and let the grown-ups decide this. Most likely I need to back off the cartoon hotdog thing a bit, and also accept that we can have *mildly silly* names for releases. The other side of the scale needs to work on your coping skills and maybe get a sense of humor. If you can’t get a sense of humor, it may be in your best interest to accept others ENJOY having a sense of humor.


(For the record, I am COMPLETELY sidestepping objections from folks in India that may feel a religious slight at cow references. I acknowledge your opinions as valid, and choose not to enter a debate with you (-


The rest of this diatribe is focused on my fellow extremists (wherever you may be). If you feel that we can have 100% of contributors happy, you are missing a bit of reality. I ask you to either reconsider, or respectfully I ask you to GTFO. Maybe go join a group with 12 people, the BSDs are a great option. They have an advantage of contribs being able to push stuff upstream in a few days, and everyone has areas they get to *control*.


When we have chosen what I considered to be boring names, I complained a brief while, and then moved on. I accepted that my side (term used loosely here) had lost. Can the other extremists do the same. You lost. Effing COPE. Get over it, move the eff on.


When I started in FOSS years ago, I *never* planned on being known as *the guy in the penguin suit*. Or to be known for my debates/arguments/pissing contests. I also never planned on being so associated with a cartoon hotdog. It just sorta happened. Sometimes destiny picks you.


To keep my words a *bit* more manageable, I will just address the extremists in this letter (reality based ideas can be addressed to the grown-ups next). Here is the deal; if you are on the extreme in the naming debate, consider my pointer finger *directly aimed at YOU* -- it is currently wagging your direction. To run with my metaphor, the other fingers are pointed *at myself*. I *know* I am being an asshat here. I am not sure the other extremists have this awareness. I will hold my extreme here as a counterbalance to you. Hopefully we cancel each other out, I’m pretty sure we will


With the grown-ups watching us, I walk to the playground and ask my fellow extremists to come *play*. Off the deep end I go...


Let the D-baggery commence. It’s a hodog, stop fighting it, you LOST. You by definition are a *minority* of voters. You are NOT in the 50%+. Lick your wounds come back another day after regrouping.


I’m pretty sure a few of you still want to come down to the gutter and debate. Bring it. You *still* want to push? Cool. I want to see if we can add a 5th foundation. Effing sense of humor. Good stuff. TRY it.


And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison. *And you will know the name is the Beefy Miracle *when vengeance is laid upon thee (Pulp Fiction paraphrased).


If we open a quarrel between past and present, we shall find that we have lost the future.

Winston Churchill


Give em another paraphrase? Beaches *love* Churchill.


We shall go on to the end, we shall fight on mailing lists, we shall fight on IRC, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength, we shall defend *humor*, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight the beaches, we shall fight on the social media, we shall fight in debates and in the bikeshedding arguments (bikeshed.org), we shall fight in the shadows; we shall *never* surrender. Those with *common sense* will carry on the struggle, until, in the Hotdog’s good time, the Project, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of HUMOR.


We are ALL on the same team. The Linux team. Supporters of the Penguin. We ARE a cult (a GOOD cult, but, a cult nonetheless [One of my talks on this; http://videos.mitrasites.com/linux-users'-group-of-davis.html]).


Not to shock anyone, but I actually do have some factual and reality based opinions on the naming thing (that will be my next ML post). As *project we can’t get to the core issue as long as there is a debate amongst us D-bags. This project is FULL of great people, we ALL have our moments. My fellow extremists PLEASE *stand down* so we can move on. Move the eff on. Let’s join reality again.


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/stand-down


-Mark


If your browser does not support it, please be aware that most of this is written in <sarcasm font> Also, please note that this version is far more tame than my original, which was entitled *Get a sense of humor or GTFO*
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Old 05-24-2012, 02:23 AM
Christopher Meng
 
Default The hotdog debate continues. (Was: folks are still whining about names? Rly?)

nice article.

On Wednesday, May 23, 2012, Mark Terranova <Markdude@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> “And on the 17th release he saw the name, and YAY, it *was* good.”

>
> It recently dawned on me that some in Fedora have a goal of trying to make *everyone* happy. It’s NOT gonna happen. You are not engaged in *reality*. I would also suggest that you may not fully understand the greatness of the Fedora Project. We are NOT vanilla. We dont always take the *safe route*. We live on the edge, an edge that we usually forge ourselves. If you want to play everything safe, go ahead. I can point you to some very nice folks, in other Distros.

>
> IMHO, we have 3 camps in the *naming debate*. In the middle we have some common sense folks that want to create a balance (the core design team as well as Inode0). The other two parts are extremists. I realized that some of the push was from revisionists, and those with *no sense of humor*. I have decided to take up the other extreme of defending ANY perceived attack on the GLORIOUS Beefy Miracle.

>
> My offer to the other extreme; *stand down* and let the grown-ups decide this. Most likely I need to back off the cartoon hotdog thing a bit, and also accept that we can have *mildly silly* names for releases. The other side of the scale needs to work on your coping skills and maybe get a sense of humor. If you can’t get a sense of humor, it may be in your best interest to accept others ENJOY having a sense of humor.

>
> (For the record, I am COMPLETELY sidestepping objections from folks in India that may feel a religious slight at cow references. I acknowledge your opinions as valid, and choose not to enter a debate with you (-

>
> The rest of this diatribe is focused on my fellow extremists (wherever you may be). If you feel that we can have 100% of contributors happy, you are missing a bit of reality. I ask you to either reconsider, or respectfully I ask you to GTFO. Maybe go join a group with 12 people, the BSDs are a great option. They have an advantage of contribs being able to push stuff upstream in a few days, and everyone has areas they get to *control*.

>
> When we have chosen what I considered to be boring names, I complained a brief while, and then moved on. I accepted that my side (term used loosely here) had lost. Can the other extremists do the same. You lost. Effing COPE. Get over it, move the eff on.

>
> When I started in FOSS years ago, I *never* planned on being known as *the guy in the penguin suit*. Or to be known for my debates/arguments/pissing contests. I also never planned on being so associated with a cartoon hotdog. It just sorta happened. Sometimes destiny picks you.

>
> To keep my words a *bit* more manageable, I will just address the extremists in this letter (reality based ideas can be addressed to the grown-ups next). Here is the deal; if you are on the extreme in the naming debate, consider my pointer finger *directly aimed at YOU* -- it is currently wagging your direction. To run with my metaphor, the other fingers are pointed *at myself*. I *know* I am being an asshat here. I am not sure the other extremists have this awareness. I will hold my extreme here as a counterbalance to you. Hopefully we cancel each other out, I’m pretty sure we will

>
> With the grown-ups watching us, I walk to the playground and ask my fellow extremists to come *play*. Off the deep end I go...
>
> Let the D-baggery commence. It’s a hodog, stop fighting it, you LOST. You by definition are a *minority* of voters. You are NOT in the 50%+. Lick your wounds come back another day after regrouping.

>
> I’m pretty sure a few of you still want to come down to the gutter and debate. Bring it. You *still* want to push? Cool. I want to see if we can add a 5th foundation. Effing sense of humor. Good stuff. TRY it.

>
> And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison. *And you will know the name is the Beefy Miracle *when vengeance is laid upon thee (Pulp Fiction paraphrased).

>
> If we open a quarrel between past and present, we shall find that we have lost the future.
> Winston Churchill
>
> Give em another paraphrase? Beaches *love* Churchill.
>
> We shall go on to the end, we shall fight on mailing lists, we shall fight on IRC, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength, we shall defend *humor*, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight the beaches, we shall fight on the social media, we shall fight in debates and in the bikeshedding arguments (bikeshed.org), we shall fight in the shadows; we shall *never* surrender. Those with *common sense* will carry on the struggle, until, in the Hotdog’s good time, the Project, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of HUMOR.

>
> We are ALL on the same team. The Linux team. Supporters of the Penguin. We ARE a cult (a GOOD cult, but, a cult nonetheless [One of my talks on this; http://videos.mitrasites.com/linux-users'-group-of-davis.html]).

>
> Not to shock anyone, but I actually do have some factual and reality based opinions on the naming thing (that will be my next ML post). As *project we can’t get to the core issue as long as there is a debate amongst us D-bags. This project is FULL of great people, we ALL have our moments. My fellow extremists PLEASE *stand down* so we can move on. Move the eff on. Let’s join reality again.

>
> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/stand-down
>
> -Mark
>
> If your browser does not support it, please be aware that most of this is written in <sarcasm font> Also, please note that this version is far more tame than my original, which was entitled *Get a sense of humor or GTFO*


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