Connotation analysis for Fedora Project codenames

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:43:14AM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> One that I thought of after initially posting the wiki page: coffee shop
> drinks? So however you order your tea or coffee... it would involve a
> lot of modifiers and there are a lot of potential combos, no? Would that
> ever be a problem? E.g.,
>
> - triple soy latte
> - skinny caramel macchiato
> - hammerhead with cream
> - iced french roast

Some religions disapprove of caffeine. <ducking>


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On 03/27/2012 10:11 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:

On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 06:52 -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:

We could, theoretically, just add "No Name, F18 and beyond" in the list
with all other release names, in one vote.


The issue with this approach is that it leaves the folks who like having
names but dislike the current 'is a' process without a say.


this is the first I've heard of anyone suggesting using anything other
than the "is a" approach. Prior, I'd only heard the semi-common
suggestion to abolish release names altogether.


Seems we're getting lost in the weeds now.

-- rex
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On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 10:55 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> On 03/27/2012 10:11 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 06:52 -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
> >> We could, theoretically, just add "No Name, F18 and beyond" in the list
> >> with all other release names, in one vote.
> >
> > The issue with this approach is that it leaves the folks who like having
> > names but dislike the current 'is a' process without a say.
>
> this is the first I've heard of anyone suggesting using anything other
> than the "is a" approach. Prior, I'd only heard the semi-common
> suggestion to abolish release names altogether.

Read back through the thread; there are several such suggestions.

~m

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On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 11:52 -0400, Richard Fontana wrote:
> Some religions disapprove of caffeine. <ducking>

The first iteration of the idea was cocktails

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On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 11:43 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>
> > Just some food for thought if we go down the path of naming based on
> a
> > theme, so we can be sure to pick a fertile, flexible theme rather
> than
> > one that will offer nothing but frustration. We might want to
> consider
> > running some test names in a proposed theme to see what kind of
> > results we get.
>
> One that I thought of after initially posting the wiki page: coffee
> shop drinks?

Brainstorming for brainstorming, what about linux distribution bits ?
Fedora XX "Kernel"/"PulseAudio"/"SystemD"/"Xorg" & co.
We could somehow link that the feature process to highlight one that we
like the most.
Less fun than the cocktails idea though

Pierre

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On 03/27/2012 10:59 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:

On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 10:55 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:

On 03/27/2012 10:11 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:

On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 06:52 -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:

We could, theoretically, just add "No Name, F18 and beyond" in the list
with all other release names, in one vote.


The issue with this approach is that it leaves the folks who like having
names but dislike the current 'is a' process without a say.


this is the first I've heard of anyone suggesting using anything other
than the "is a" approach. Prior, I'd only heard the semi-common
suggestion to abolish release names altogether.


Read back through the thread; there are several such suggestions.


I'll take your word for it, the thread has already gotten beyond
managable for me to follow.


I'd kindly and humbly suggest that anyone currently in *this* thread not
speaking directly to the topic in $SUBJECT "Connation analysys" , that
you start a new thread to discuss $SOME_OTHER_SUBJECT


-- rex

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On 03/27/2012 06:52 PM, Richard Fontana wrote:

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:43:14AM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:

One that I thought of after initially posting the wiki page: coffee shop
drinks? So however you order your tea or coffee... it would involve a
lot of modifiers and there are a lot of potential combos, no? Would that
ever be a problem? E.g.,

- triple soy latte
- skinny caramel macchiato
- hammerhead with cream
- iced french roast


Some religions disapprove of caffeine.<ducking>


Is even worse than that: lack of cultural relevance. with coffee shop
drinks or cocktails or something like that we limit ourselves to the
western culture.


For example instead of offending our Indian contributors once in N
years, we keep them out with irrelevant(for them) symbols.


Changing the name theme from a release to the other gives an opportunity
to everyone and if, for example, one release we get a name proposed and
voted by people from a non-Western culture which make us, as Westerners,
a bit uneasy... we should understand we are all equals and accept it.


--
nicu, waiting for the "Tentacle Monster" code name proposal
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----- Original Message -----
> On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 06:52 -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
> > We could, theoretically, just add "No Name, F18 and beyond" in the
> > list
> > with all other release names, in one vote.
>
> The issue with this approach is that it leaves the folks who like
> having
> names but dislike the current 'is a' process without a say.
>
> So why not continue F18's process as planned since it was already
> started, as you suggested? Then have a separate vote after that one,
> where as a community we can decide either no release name or select a
> scheme for the release names to follow.

+1, for me it would be sound like we do not respect already submitted
proposals (even I know some of them are for fun/naming rejection ones).

As there's already "Comment" column, we can let people to do a community
self-test, as Robyn pointed out - we have to trust US at first!

Another idea was prolonging the voting/vetting period - I'm not sure it
will work - people steps into naming process when it's announced and then
once voting is open, I expect top activity during this period (and both
are already quite long. For Board members - more time could help us add
another step - to go back to community with Board selected names with
explanation of issues, why we decided to do it and ask for last changes
call before sending it to Legal. Actually it should be already done this
way, just last time we ran out of time (still I think it wasn't about the
amount of time but there was some slip...) and the proposed names were
send immediately to Legal (as this takes some time too).

R.

> Here's a start at some suggestions for naming schemes, anybody feel
> free
> to add:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Suggestions_for_Fedora_Codename_Theme
>
> ~m
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On ब�धवार 28 मार�च 2012 01:44 अपराह�न, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:

----- Original Message -----

On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 06:52 -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:

We could, theoretically, just add "No Name, F18 and beyond" in the
list
with all other release names, in one vote.

The issue with this approach is that it leaves the folks who like
having
names but dislike the current 'is a' process without a say.

So why not continue F18's process as planned since it was already
started, as you suggested? Then have a separate vote after that one,
where as a community we can decide either no release name or select a
scheme for the release names to follow.

+1, for me it would be sound like we do not respect already submitted
proposals (even I know some of them are for fun/naming rejection ones).

As there's already "Comment" column, we can let people to do a community
self-test, as Robyn pointed out - we have to trust US at first!

Another idea was prolonging the voting/vetting period - I'm not sure it
will work - people steps into naming process when it's announced and then
once voting is open, I expect top activity during this period (and both
are already quite long. For Board members - more time could help us add
another step - to go back to community with Board selected names with
explanation of issues, why we decided to do it and ask for last changes
call before sending it to Legal. Actually it should be already done this
way, just last time we ran out of time (still I think it wasn't about the
amount of time but there was some slip...) and the proposed names were
send immediately to Legal (as this takes some time too).

R.



Thanks Kevin: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-March/164965.html

It tells a different stroy. And in this perspective, this is really a bad indicator that how much our current process is faulty and how one dominant group can take 'advantage' of it in future as well. I strongly believe that open source is a place for "Collaboration", it should not be used for just showing ones dominance over others, just because of the fact that 'one' is good in numbers at one point of time. "Beefy Miracle" case shows us the problem. It is a process related bug and I feel time has come to fix it. And I believe that we (Fedora Community) are mature enough to handle this.

regards,
Rajesh

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On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 09:34 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
> Is even worse than that: lack of cultural relevance. with coffee shop
> drinks or cocktails or something like that we limit ourselves to the
> western culture.

Because tea has nothing to do with India?

~m

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