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Old 07-28-2010, 04:19 AM
Kevin Fenzi
 
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:28:48 -0400
Máirín Duffy <duffy@fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> Firefox *is* Fedora's default web browser, though.

Sure.

> That's certainly information we would benefit from pushing out. I'm
> not sure that's the most useful information to someone using Fedora,
> though. Why not just point to www.fedoraproject.org which is supposed
> to allow people to accomplish those things anyway (in the non-default
> browsers at least), and work on making the default browser experience
> a better one as suggested?

Fine with me.

kevin
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Old 07-28-2010, 07:04 PM
Bruno Wolff III
 
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On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 13:14:38 -0400,
Paul Frields <stickster@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It should be easy enough to start collecting some common desires for
> users when they open up a browser the first time on a new platform.
> The Design and Web teams could help us with this, but honestly I think
> they have a *lot* on their plates right now:

As people probably realize by now, I'm kind of an odd case. So my preference
should should probably be taken with a shaker full of salt.

My preference is that there is no page displayed by default. This ends up with
the broswer phoning home before I get a chance to (easily) disable the page.
This just seems like a way to do advertising or collect usage information,
and isn't something I like to be saddled with unless some asks first.
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Old 07-28-2010, 07:19 PM
Máirín Duffy
 
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On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 14:04 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> My preference is that there is no page displayed by default. This ends up with
> the broswer phoning home before I get a chance to (easily) disable the page.
> This just seems like a way to do advertising or collect usage information,
> and isn't something I like to be saddled with unless some asks first.

This is actually my personal preference as well. It makes launching a
new browser window much quicker.

~m

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Old 07-28-2010, 07:19 PM
"Paul W. Frields"
 
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On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 02:04:17PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 13:14:38 -0400,
> Paul Frields <stickster@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > It should be easy enough to start collecting some common desires for
> > users when they open up a browser the first time on a new platform.
> > The Design and Web teams could help us with this, but honestly I think
> > they have a *lot* on their plates right now:
>
> As people probably realize by now, I'm kind of an odd case. So my preference
> should should probably be taken with a shaker full of salt.
>
> My preference is that there is no page displayed by default. This ends up with
> the broswer phoning home before I get a chance to (easily) disable the page.
> This just seems like a way to do advertising or collect usage information,
> and isn't something I like to be saddled with unless some asks first.

I definitely see your point. Certainly the browser is the most common
way that anyone gets information nowadays, and that can be used in all
sorts of constructive (and maybe not so constructive) ways.

I think a lot of us on this list are odd cases, and that it's
ultimately important for all of us in that category to realize that
basing the decision on our personal preferences can be a non-optimal
yardstick.

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Old 07-29-2010, 05:59 PM
"Paul W. Frields"
 
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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:19:32PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:28:48 -0400
> Máirín Duffy <duffy@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
> > Firefox *is* Fedora's default web browser, though.
>
> Sure.
>
> > That's certainly information we would benefit from pushing out. I'm
> > not sure that's the most useful information to someone using Fedora,
> > though. Why not just point to www.fedoraproject.org which is supposed
> > to allow people to accomplish those things anyway (in the non-default
> > browsers at least), and work on making the default browser experience
> > a better one as suggested?
>
> Fine with me.

Is there a general agreement that the default start page should point
to www.fp.o for now, and that we should kick off an initiative,
subsequent to finishing the web redesign(*), that provides that better
experience?

* * *
(*) I say "subsequent" because I imagine it would include the Design
and Websites teams that are working on the web redesign project.
Thinking about stretching too thinly.

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