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Old 01-17-2008, 06:34 PM
John Poelstra
 
Default Fedora Board Recap 2007-JAN-13

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2008-01-13

== Roll Call ==

Attendees: Max Spevack, Steve Dickson, Bill Nottingham, Chris Aillon,
John Poelstra, Matt Domsch, Jef Spaleta, Karsten Wade, Paul Frields,
Dennis Gilmore, and Seth Vidal.


Regrets: Bob McWirther, Chris Aillon

Available Fedora Project Board Members met at FUDCon in Raliegh, North
Carolina to discuss current business and to bring Paul Frields (new
Fedora Project Leader) up to speeed.


== Next Meeting ==
* 2008-01-22 (Tuesday) at 17:00 EST
* John Poelstra to set up conference code and send meeting reminder

== Budget Update ==
* Max is working with Red Hat's finance department to iron out
finances for Fedora and to hopefully make things work smoother in the
future.


== FUDCon F9 Survey ==
* All members present thought it would be useful to conduct survey of
FUDCon attendees to find out:

1. what types of Fedora users attended
1. useful information for making the next FUDCon better
* Need board member to own this action

== FUDCon F10 Boston 2008 ==
* Next FUDCon will be held in conjunction with the Red Hat Summit in
Boston, Massachussets

* Red Hat Summit dates are June 18 to 20, 2008 (Wednesday to Friday)
* Discussed in general, but tabled additional discussion until
afternoon marketing meeting with Leigh Day
* 'Exact' dates for FUDCon have not been set, but it will occur
around the time of the summit


== Customized Spin Requests ==
* Board granted approval to two spins proposed by Raul Sundaram
1. Tamil
1. Punjabi
* Board is open to the Fedora XFCE spin, but did not vote on it
because of unresolved technical issues


== More Tools to Improve Package Quality ==
* Renew call to improve tools such as rpmdiff to catch additional
packaging bugs.


== Documentation-Devel Package ==
* open sourcing of Red Hat's internal documentation tool chain
* community and project board unclear what it does
* recently landed for package review which is being held up because of
the package name

* no actionable board issues here for the time being


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Old 01-17-2008, 09:16 PM
Christopher Blizzard
 
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On Jan 17, 2008, at 2:34 PM, John Poelstra wrote:

* Board is open to the Fedora XFCE spin, but did not vote on it
because of unresolved technical issues


What are the unresolved technical issues?

--Chris

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Old 01-17-2008, 09:31 PM
Dennis Gilmore
 
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On Thursday 17 January 2008, Christopher Blizzard wrote:
> On Jan 17, 2008, at 2:34 PM, John Poelstra wrote:
> > * Board is open to the Fedora XFCE spin, but did not vote on it
> > because of unresolved technical issues
>
> What are the unresolved technical issues?

the biggest one is that if you install it you get twm as the window manager
and not a XFCE desktop environment.

Dennis

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Old 01-17-2008, 11:49 PM
Max Spevack
 
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008, Dennis Gilmore wrote:

the biggest one is that if you install it you get twm as the window
manager and not a XFCE desktop environment.


Maybe we should just call it the Fedora TWM spin.

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Old 01-18-2008, 02:18 AM
Josh Boyer
 
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:34:00 -0800
John Poelstra <poelstra@redhat.com> wrote:

> == More Tools to Improve Package Quality ==
> * Renew call to improve tools such as rpmdiff to catch additional
> packaging bugs.

You need more people much more than better tools. Incoming reviews are
already handled by too few (but awesome!) people. Audits of existing
packages (e.g. making sure people continue to follow the guidelines or
adapt existing packages to new guidelines) are virtually non-existent.

Automation and better tooling will perhaps attract more to do reviews
and audits, but it will only go so far. Reviewing is fairly thankless
work, which is something that will need to be corrected somehow
(hand-waving here) if we want to encourage more people to do it.

josh

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Old 01-18-2008, 09:40 AM
Rahul Sundaram
 
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Max Spevack wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008, Dennis Gilmore wrote:

the biggest one is that if you install it you get twm as the window
manager and not a XFCE desktop environment.


Maybe we should just call it the Fedora TWM spin.


Well, if you boot it as a live cd or in USB, you will get Xfce. Post
installation, it defaults to TWM which is think is a bug somewhere since
/etc/sysconfig/desktop just disappears. Also /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients
probably should not hard core the logic it does. I have the kickstart
file at


http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-xfce.ks

Any help is welcome.

Rahul

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Old 01-18-2008, 04:09 PM
Christopher Blizzard
 
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On Jan 17, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:


On Thursday 17 January 2008, Christopher Blizzard wrote:

On Jan 17, 2008, at 2:34 PM, John Poelstra wrote:

* Board is open to the Fedora XFCE spin, but did not vote on it
because of unresolved technical issues


What are the unresolved technical issues?


the biggest one is that if you install it you get twm as the window
manager

and not a XFCE desktop environment.


Yes, that sounds like a serious problem. Carry on!

--Chris

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Old 01-20-2008, 08:23 PM
Jeroen van Meeuwen
 
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Rahul Sundaram wrote:

Max Spevack wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008, Dennis Gilmore wrote:

the biggest one is that if you install it you get twm as the window
manager and not a XFCE desktop environment.


Maybe we should just call it the Fedora TWM spin.


Well, if you boot it as a live cd or in USB, you will get Xfce. Post
installation, it defaults to TWM which is think is a bug somewhere since
/etc/sysconfig/desktop just disappears. Also /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients
probably should not hard core the logic it does. I have the kickstart
file at


http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-xfce.ks

Any help is welcome.



I'm confused with the EOF's you're using.

It seems you want /etc/rc.d/init.d/fedora-live to have:

cat > /etc/sysconfig/desktop <<ANOTHEREOF
PREFERRED=/usr/bin/startxfce4
ANOTHEREOF

wrapped within the entire %post's cat << EOF, right?

Attached a .ks with a more distinctive clarification of the point I'm
trying to make but I'm not sure it does what you want it to do.


Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip
# Fedora Xfce Spin
# (c) Rahul Sundaram <sundaram@fedoraproject.org>
# GPlv2 or later


repo --name=fedora8 --baseurl=http://nighthawk.pnq.redhat.com/redhat/released/Fedora/8/Everything/i386/os/
repo --name=fedora8updates --baseurl=http://nighthawk.pnq.redhat.com/redhat/fedora/updates/8/i386/

# bugs and enhancements related to the Xfce spin
# https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=427814 s-c-d dep on metacity
# https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=427768 pykickstart inheritance bug
# https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=427812 desktop backgrounds split
# https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=427833 totem dep bloat
# https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=427834 NM-gnome dep bloat
# PulseAudio must be enabled by default. Update is already in updates-testing

# -- end --

%include livecd-fedora-8-base-desktop.ks

%packages

firefox
NetworkManager-vpnc
NetworkManager-openvpn
NetworkManager-gnome

# we don't include @office so that we don't get OOo. but some nice bits

abiword
gnumeric
evince
#gimp
#inkscape
#planner
#dia
galculator

# development
geany

# games. Which ones are light and good?


# More Desktop stuff

xdg-user-dirs
@java
totem
totem-mozplugin
pidgin
claws-mail
# where is xfburn?
brasero
xchat-gnome
drivel
quodlibet
gftp
mirage
tracker-search-tool

# Command line

powertop
wget
irssi
mutt
yum-utils

# xfce packages

# xfce packages
@xfce-desktop
gtk-xfce-engine
orage
xarchiver

#this isn't packaged yet
#xfmedia

xfce4-taskmanager
thunar-volman
thunar-archive-plugin
thunar-media-tags-plugin

# how do I add volume and trash plugin to the top panel by default?

xfce4-battery-plugin
xfce4-clipman-plugin
xfce4-cpugraph-plugin
xfce4-datetime-plugin
xfce4-dict-plugin
xfce4-diskperf-plugin
xfce4-eyes-plugin
xfce4-fsguard-plugin
xfce4-genmon-plugin
#redundant with verve plugin
#xfce4-minicmd-plugin
xfce4-mount-plugin
xfce4-netload-plugin
xfce4-notes-plugin
xfce4-places-plugin
xfce4-quicklauncher-plugin
xfce4-screenshooter-plugin
xfce4-sensors-plugin
xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin
xfce4-systemload-plugin
xfce4-timer-plugin
xfce4-volstatus-icon
xfce4-verve-plugin
#we use NetworkManager-gnome. So this is redundant
#xfce4-wavelan-plugin
xfce4-weather-plugin
xfce4-websearch-plugin

# this one a compatibility layer for GNOME applets and depends on it
#xfce4-xfapplet-plugin

xfce4-xkb-plugin
xfwm4-themes



# language support

@afrikaans-support
@albanian-support
@arabic-support
@armenian-support
@assamese-support
@basque-support
@belarusian-support
@bengali-support
@bhutanese-support
@bosnian-support
@brazilian-support
@breton-support
@british-support
@bulgarian-support
@catalan-support
@chinese-support
@croatian-support
@czech-support
@danish-support
@dutch-support
@estonian-support
@ethiopic-support
@faeroese-support
@filipino-support
@finnish-support
@french-support
@gaelic-support
@galician-support
@georgian-support
@german-support
@greek-support
@gujarati-support
@hebrew-support
@hindi-support
@hungarian-support
@icelandic-support
@indonesian-support
@inuktitut-support
@irish-support
@italian-support
@japanese-support
@kannada-support
@khmer-support
@korean-support
@lao-support
@latvian-support
@lithuanian-support
@malay-support
@malayalam-support
@maori-support
@marathi-support
@northern-sotho-support
@norwegian-support
@oriya-support
@persian-support
@polish-support
@portuguese-support
@punjabi-support
@romanian-support
@russian-support
@samoan-support
@serbian-support
@sinhala-support
@slovak-support
@slovenian-support
@somali-support
@southern-ndebele-support
@southern-sotho-support
@spanish-support
@swati-support
@swedish-support
@tagalog-support
@tamil-support
@telugu-support
@thai-support
@tibetan-support
@tonga-support
@tsonga-support
@tswana-support
@turkish-support
@ukrainian-support
@urdu-support
@venda-support
@vietnamese-support
@welsh-support
@xhosa-support
@zulu-support

# dictionaries are big
-aspell-*
-man-pages-*
-scim-tables-*
-wqy-bitmap-fonts
-dejavu-fonts-experimental
-dejavu-fonts

# more fun with space saving
-scim-lang-chinese
scim-chewing
scim-pinyin
-gimp-help

# save some space
-autofs
-nss_db
-sendmail

#system-config-printer does this better
#xfprint has now been made as optional in comps
-xfprint


%end

%post
cat >> /etc/rc.d/init.d/fedora-live << EOF
# disable screensaver locking
gconftool-2 --direct --config-source=xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults -s -t bool /apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_enabled false >/dev/null
# set up timed auto-login for after 60 seconds
sed -i -e 's/[daemon]/[daemon]
TimedLoginEnable=true
TimedLogin=fedora
TimedLoginDelay=60/' /etc/gdm/custom.conf
if [ -e /usr/share/icons/hicolor/96x96/apps/fedora-logo-icon.png ] ; then
cp /usr/share/icons/hicolor/96x96/apps/fedora-logo-icon.png /home/fedora/.face
chown fedora:fedora /home/fedora/.face
# TODO: would be nice to get e-d-s to pick this one up too... but how?
fi


# xfce configuration

# create /etc/sysconfig/desktop (needed for installation)

cat > /etc/sysconfig/desktop <<ANOTHEREOF
PREFERRED=/usr/bin/startxfce4
ANOTHEREOF

# make fedora user use Xfce

#echo "startxfce4" > /home/fedora/.Xclients
#chmod a+x /home/fedora/.Xclients
#chown fedora:fedora /home/fedora/.Xclients
EOF

%end

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