Fedora Board Recap 2008-JUN-24

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2008-06-24

== Roll Call ==

* Attendees: Harald Hoyer, Jesse Keating, Paul Frields, Steve Dickson,
Chris Aillon, John Poelstra, Bill Nottingham, Matt Domsch, Jef Spaleta,
Karsten Wade

* Regrets: Seth Vidal, Spot Callaway, Dennis Gilmore


== New Business ==

=== New Board Members ===
* Welcome and Congratulations
* Process for filling remaining Red Hat appointed seat
** Re-balancing board from a Red Hat perspective (which includes taking
the community into perspective too).

** Decision to be made by end of the day 2008-06-25
** Submit additional suggestions to Paul Frields by end of business today

=== FUDCon Boston ===
* Thoughts and take-aways for next time
* Wondering if Red Hat Summit helped or hurt
* We didn't have a lot to show the "drive-bys" from the Summit who came
by the hackfest session
* What about having a much larger booth as part of the exhibitors floor
similar to LinuxTag?

* Summit does provide the advantage of having more Red Hat people on hand
* Really difficult for people to do two events at the same time
* Surprised at number of first time people that came to FUDCon
* Carry additional discussion items to fedora-advisory-board@redhat.com
mailing list

** What could be a 'better' FUDCon ?

=== Meeting Time & Date ===
* Confirm regular meeting time and date going forward
* Take into account new members
** Figure out on mailing list--Paul Frields will set up matrix

=== Upcoming Milestones ===
* Alpha freeze on 2008-07-15
* Alpha public release on 2008-07-29
* Getting feature process going for Fedora 10

=== Farewell ===
* Many thanks to departing board members Steve Dickson, Dennis Gilmore,
and Chris Aillon for their guidance and support to Fedora

* This is their last meeting


== Followup to Previous Business ==

=== Fedora Organizational Structure (2008-06-03) ===
* Joint meeting with Board and FESCo held on 2008-06-09
** http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2008-06-09
** Proposed roles: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Drafts/Roles
* The board has not change its stance that FESCo owns the feature process
* Lengthy discussion about the path forward
* Board is waiting for detailed write-up from FESCo from meeting on
2008-06-12

* NEXT STEPS:
*# Board to update wiki page describing its role
*# Board agrees with FESCo's defined role as defined:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SteeringCommittee/Meeting-20080612

*# Board asks FESCo to update wiki page described

=== Codeina (2008-05-13) ===
* Need to restart discussion on fedora-advisory-board@redhat.com to get
plans in place at the start of F10
* Chris Aillon to make contact with Bastien Nocera to find out what
current plans are

* RESOLUTION:
** waiting on bug 438225 to proceed
** this change will enable auto-provide for codec information
** For Fedora 10 removing Codeina and using the distribution's built-in
mechanism to install packages (if 438255) is implemented
** For Fluendo to continue to provide codecs to Fedora they will need to
provide them as packages in a yum repo

** This errs on the side of more "free-ish" software
** Revisit progress of Bug 438225 thirty days from now

=== Secondary Architectures ===
* Put forward by Bill Nottingham for 2008-06-10 agenda
* ia64 is close to coming online and two issues need to be resolved to
move forward:
# Packages are signed with a fedora-ia64 specific key and the repository
keys are hard coded in the fedora-release package as the main Fedora and
Fedora beta keys.
# The download baseurl (outside of the mirror lists, which are correctly
handled) will be at secondary.fedoraproject.org (or whatever).
Therefore they can not spin a release from Fedora packages.
* RESOLUTION: No discussion. This is a technical issue to be resolved
by FESCo (if necessary) and not the board.



== Future Business (discuss at a future meeting) ==
* Next meet with be public IRC meeting with the board
* Paul to send out announcement and coordinate IRC channels and moderator

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On 28.06.2008 17:14, John Poelstra wrote:

A few comments from my side, in case anybody is interested:


=== FUDCon Boston ===
* Wondering if Red Hat Summit helped or hurt


- I liked that Summit and FUDCON were close together, but maybe a little
bit less overlap (e.g. Friday to Sunday for FUDCon instead of Thursday
to Saturday) might have a bit been better/easier (but I'm not completely
sure about that; see below)


* We didn't have a lot to show the "drive-bys" from the Summit who came
by the hackfest session


Maybe that's because there was not much to see and no real schedule
Summit attendees could look at to say "hey, I want to join this session
and help"?


For example I guess a least a few Summit attendees might have joined the
the EPEL hackfest discussions if they were scheduled for a specific date
and time; likely same for the Spacewalk discussions; maybe even for the
rawhide discussions as well. But that of course would have required that
we say "EPEL discussions Friday 10 - 12, room 310; be there is you are
interested; we'd like to have your input how to move on with EPEL".


But on the other hand that of course requires that there is enough
overlap with the Summit.


CU
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On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 18:44 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:

> For example I guess a least a few Summit attendees might have joined the
> the EPEL hackfest discussions if they were scheduled for a specific date
> and time; likely same for the Spacewalk discussions; maybe even for the
> rawhide discussions as well. But that of course would have required that
> we say "EPEL discussions Friday 10 - 12, room 310; be there is you are
> interested; we'd like to have your input how to move on with EPEL".

FWIW, we did, but we didn't widen the audience for that beyond
fedora-isv-sig-list.

URL

We pulled the ISV, EPEL, and Java packaging stuff together within the
weeks just before the Summit, and we didn't advertise the sessions as
widely as possible. I'd thought this article was going to be in the Red
Hat Free Press (daily newspaper from the Summit), which would have
helped a bit:

http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/06/19/fedoras-extra-packages-for-enterprise-linux-%e2%80%93-the-extra-mile/

Time was at least well spent with the ISVs who made the trip
upstairs. I owe more reports on this, I'll post on epel-devel-list
when I make them.

- Karsten
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On 29.06.2008 04:03, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:

On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 18:44 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
For example I guess a least a few Summit attendees might have joined the
the EPEL hackfest discussions if they were scheduled for a specific date
and time; likely same for the Spacewalk discussions; maybe even for the
rawhide discussions as well. But that of course would have required that
we say "EPEL discussions Friday 10 - 12, room 310; be there is you are
interested; we'd like to have your input how to move on with EPEL".


FWIW, we did, but we didn't widen the audience for that beyond
fedora-isv-sig-list.


One of the few Fedora lists I'm not (yet) subscribed to ;-)

In any case: It was just meant as example. Nevertheless:


We pulled the ISV, EPEL, and Java packaging stuff together within the
weeks just before the Summit, and we didn't advertise the sessions as
widely as possible. I'd thought this article was going to be in the Red
Hat Free Press (daily newspaper from the Summit), which would have
helped a bit:
http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/06/19/fedoras-extra-packages-for-enterprise-linux-%e2%80%93-the-extra-mile/


It was in the Free Press IIRC. But the basic information "there are
people from EPEL in the Fedora hackfest room; join them if you want to
discuss or help with EPEL; those with the EPEL-Hat on their head are the
ones you need to talk to (¹). There is also a two our discussion
scheduled for 2 pm on Friday in room foo; feel free to join it" was
missing afaics. :-/


(¹) which IMHO would be important; if you came into the Fedora room as
non-Fedora-contributor you might feel lost and unwelcomed quickly as the
groups on the different tables looked busy; at least some people in
situation like that just leave instead of poking someone to say "hey, I
want to talk to the guys from EPEL" (just a example)


> [...]

While at it: Karsten, thx for doing the EPEL talk on the summit itself.
I could not join it, but I suppose it was great and helped a lot!


Cu
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John Poelstra wrote:


=== Codeina (2008-05-13) ===
* Need to restart discussion on fedora-advisory-board@redhat.com to get
plans in place at the start of F10
* Chris Aillon to make contact with Bastien Nocera to find out what
current plans are

* RESOLUTION:
** waiting on bug 438225 to proceed
** this change will enable auto-provide for codec information
** For Fedora 10 removing Codeina and using the distribution's built-in
mechanism to install packages (if 438255) is implemented
** For Fluendo to continue to provide codecs to Fedora they will need to
provide them as packages in a yum repo

** This errs on the side of more "free-ish" software
** Revisit progress of Bug 438225 thirty days from now


Should probably leave FESCo to handle implementation details here
instead of keeping track of it down to the level of bug numbers.


Rahul

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On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 15:02 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> John Poelstra wrote:
> >
> > === Codeina (2008-05-13) ===
> > * Need to restart discussion on fedora-advisory-board@redhat.com to get
> > plans in place at the start of F10
> > * Chris Aillon to make contact with Bastien Nocera to find out what
> > current plans are
> > * RESOLUTION:
> > ** waiting on bug 438225 to proceed
> > ** this change will enable auto-provide for codec information
> > ** For Fedora 10 removing Codeina and using the distribution's built-in
> > mechanism to install packages (if 438255) is implemented
> > ** For Fluendo to continue to provide codecs to Fedora they will need to
> > provide them as packages in a yum repo
> > ** This errs on the side of more "free-ish" software
> > ** Revisit progress of Bug 438225 thirty days from now
>
> Should probably leave FESCo to handle implementation details here
> instead of keeping track of it down to the level of bug numbers.

The notes indicate the Board's awareness of how the changes are being
made, not that it is dictating these changes, so these notes and the
policy of having FESCo be responsible for engineering issues are not
really in conflict.

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Paul W. Frields wrote:

The notes indicate the Board's awareness of how the changes are being
made, not that it is dictating these changes, so these notes and the
policy of having FESCo be responsible for engineering issues are not
really in conflict.


I would argue that Codeina itself is a technical detail and shouldn't be
managed by the board anymore which has discussed it in half a dozen
meetings already. There are several other things that deserve more
attention that this particular feature. Board can just make a policy
decision on where it draws the line on free software and leave it at that.


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Rahul Sundaram wrote:

Paul W. Frields wrote:

The notes indicate the Board's awareness of how the changes are being
made, not that it is dictating these changes, so these notes and the
policy of having FESCo be responsible for engineering issues are not
really in conflict.


I would argue that Codeina itself is a technical detail and shouldn't be
managed by the board anymore which has discussed it in half a dozen
meetings already. There are several other things that deserve more
attention that this particular feature. Board can just make a policy
decision on where it draws the line on free software and leave it at that.


It's not managed by the Board. In fact, this is the complete opposite.
In the past the Board more or less mandated what the codec story would
be and people would implement it, for better or worse (worse mostly).
Now, the Board is letting the technical people dictate the story, and
just watching to make sure it doesn't stray from the path.


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On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 11:26 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:

> It was in the Free Press IIRC. But the basic information "there are
> people from EPEL in the Fedora hackfest room; join them if you want to
> discuss or help with EPEL; those with the EPEL-Hat on their head are the
> ones you need to talk to (¹). There is also a two our discussion
> scheduled for 2 pm on Friday in room foo; feel free to join it" was
> missing afaics. :-/

Ah, I missed that. Was it Thursday or Friday? I missed Friday's
edition.

> (¹) which IMHO would be important; if you came into the Fedora room as
> non-Fedora-contributor you might feel lost and unwelcomed quickly as the
> groups on the different tables looked busy; at least some people in
> situation like that just leave instead of poking someone to say "hey, I
> want to talk to the guys from EPEL" (just a example)

+1 ... our signage at the hack fest was a bit lacking.

> > [...]
>
> While at it: Karsten, thx for doing the EPEL talk on the summit itself.
> I could not join it, but I suppose it was great and helped a lot!

http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/2008/downloads/pdf/Thursday/kwade_1_1.pdf

Second half of the PDF has the notes view, with all the content. I
wrote all the content first, then outlined it, then made slides. It's
not noted there (oversight on my part) that the content is CC BY-SA.
All of the source bits are here:

http://quaid.fedorapeople.org/presentations/Red-Hat-Summit-2008/

If anyone wants to make a generic version, it'll make spreading the EPEL
story easier. It only took me ... 22 minutes? Maybe a bit more, but
it's a fairly tight run through, if you wrote the material.

- Karsten
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