Fedora, Red Hat, and the community

The recent Board discussion highlights that despite efforts to the
contrary, there is still a Us vs. Them mentality in Fedora when it comes
to the community and Red Hat. Rather than write out a very long and
preachy email about why that shouldn't be, I'm going to take a different
approach.

Below are a series of questions that will hopefully help me get an
understanding about why people feel this way. If you care, please
answer them. Until we, Red Hat and the community, act as a whole
coherent project we are going to continue to stumble in areas we really
shouldn't be.

So let's clear the air:

1) Are there examples of where Red Hat is stifling growth or limiting
exploration of topics in Fedora? Please provide clear examples and
evidence of such (mailing list posts, etc).

2) In recent history (past 2 years), has Red Hat done anything you
consider to be detrimental to the Fedora project? Please provide clear
evidence.

3) If you have concerns about Red Hat's corporate sponsorship of Fedora,
what are those?

I'm sure there are other questions that can be asked, but these seem to
cover most of the concerns I've seen so far.

josh

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On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer@gmail.com> wrote:
> The recent Board discussion highlights that despite efforts to the
> contrary, there is still a Us vs. Them mentality in Fedora when it comes
> to the community and Red Hat. Rather than write out a very long and
> preachy email about why that shouldn't be, I'm going to take a different
> approach.

Just my 0.02 USD, I think people are more afraid of there being a Red
Hat bias, and there is this odd hyper awareness that some people are
Red Hat and some people are not. I think Red Hat has received pretty
good confidences and trust from the community so far. Furthermore,
many of the 'Red Hat' people are really as much Fedora as they are Red
Hat. I think people recognize this more than we might think.

(Yes, that sentence is a contradiction.)

-Yaakov

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On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 14:45 +0200, Yaakov Nemoy wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The recent Board discussion highlights that despite efforts to the
> > contrary, there is still a Us vs. Them mentality in Fedora when it comes
> > to the community and Red Hat. Rather than write out a very long and
> > preachy email about why that shouldn't be, I'm going to take a different
> > approach.
>
> Just my 0.02 USD, I think people are more afraid of there being a Red
> Hat bias, and there is this odd hyper awareness that some people are
> Red Hat and some people are not. I think Red Hat has received pretty
> good confidences and trust from the community so far. Furthermore,
> many of the 'Red Hat' people are really as much Fedora as they are Red
> Hat. I think people recognize this more than we might think.
>
> (Yes, that sentence is a contradiction.)

That's my observation as well. But I wanted to give people an
opportunity to spell out specific items that bother them.

josh

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On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 08:54:38AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 14:45 +0200, Yaakov Nemoy wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The recent Board discussion highlights that despite efforts to the
> > > contrary, there is still a Us vs. Them mentality in Fedora when it comes
> > > to the community and Red Hat. Rather than write out a very long and
> > > preachy email about why that shouldn't be, I'm going to take a different
> > > approach.

> That's my observation as well. But I wanted to give people an
> opportunity to spell out specific items that bother them.

I think that there will always be some supicious minds looking at a
big company working with the community about whether the goals can be
the same, or whether there are hidden agendas to exploit the community
etc.

So instead of trying to justify this I would make a forward attack and
state that a big company profits from supporting community goals
for the sake of the community itself. And the community profits from
being exploited that way. Isn't this what Open Source is about?
--
Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net

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