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Old 05-16-2010, 08:17 PM
ps
 
Default edubuntu-users Digest, Vol 48, Issue 9

Dear List

About 10.04 ltsp, I wrote a while ago about the problembut so far there
was response that would help in any way. However, I found that if you
nstall 9.10 and then upgradeto 10.04 ltsp at least tries to work by
giving thin client an ip address but no image. It seems that there is no
tc image ready and you have to create it first and place it in the
correct folder. Then it should work.

Paul




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> 1. Re: ltsp-gui (Peter)
> 2. Re: Mentoring for improving wiki pages? (David Groos)
> 3. Re: ltsp-gui (dbclinton)
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 11:27:42 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Peter <mittwit@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: ltsp-gui
> To: edubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <loom.20100515T131136-699@post.gmane.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> dbclinton <dbclin <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>> Hi,
>> Working on the assumption that there are probably other people just as
>> dumb as I am and that this might be useful for a circle wider than just
>> me, where did the ltsp gui go on edubuntu 10.04? It was under
>> "applications/other" while I was running a live CD session (and it
>> worked perfectly there), during the actual install (from live CD) I saw
>> a desktop icon, but once I'd rebooted into the OS, both the menu item
>> and the desktop icon had disappeared (not to mention my configurations
>> from the live CD session).
>> I searched Edubuntu Menu Editor and Synaptic to no avail and played
>> around in Terminal, getting some kind of response with "sudo
>> ltsp-install" - but nothing effective.
>> I could always do it the old-fashioned way as in past installs, but I am
>> at least curious as to where the GUI has gone.
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>
> I was very impressed when I ran the edubuntu 10.04 live cd and had clients
> working at a press of a button. So I was rather disappointed to find I had to
> install ltsp from scratch to get it working once I installed edu 10.04 on my
> server. So add me to the dumb list, especially if there is a script somewhere
> that I missed. I have ltsp working on ubuntu 9.04 with fat clients and want to
> set up on edubuntu 10.04 but I'm not sure if I just do it the same way as before
> or if the set-up is different with 10.04. I guess I will just try and see what
> happens.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 19:42:32 -0500
> From: David Groos <djgroos@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Mentoring for improving wiki pages?
> To: Sim?n Ruiz <simon.a.ruiz@gmail.com>
> Cc: edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-education
> <ubuntu-education@lists.ubuntu.com>, Edubuntu Users Group
> <edubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTik8NMyqau8XNKWU3zYENPEHHDq8ftfWVFhxlCqd@mai l.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Gavin and Sim?n thanks for your offers to help me write some good
> pages--I'll take you up on all of it, starting with the iTALC. Also, thanks
> for the history--something which I think is important to include, briefly,
> in the wiki as well. Hopefully, others in the community with additional
> knowledge, both from a programming and implementation-perspective, will
> chime in as needed.
>
> For starters, it would be a great time-saver on my part if people would
> direct me to good reference articles on iTALC for Ubuntu (I know it's used
> with Windows as well but I'm not focusing on that). I of course could do a
> google search on iTALC (done it many times, actually), however, I don't know
> what is outdated or applies to the areas of interest. The info I'm looking
> for is:
> --History of the project
> --Accuracy of the ubuntu page on italc (it says it is only good for Hardy)
> --Differences between versions for Hardy, Jaunty, Karmic, Lucid (I'll be
> focusing on Jaunty, Karmic, Lucid)
> --Successful applications of iTALC
> --CURRENT issues--limitations--with iTALC.
> --Theory on iTALC.
>
> Any favorite links or mini-lessons would be much appreciated!
>
> Thanks!
> David
>
> PS--Sounds like we need a tutorial on installing Edubuntu/LTSP from recent
> list-server e-mails--it's not that people are dumb, it's that wiki pages
> need improving!
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Sim?n Ruiz <simon.a.ruiz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:37 PM, David Groos <djgroos@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I just turned in my final last night for my statistics class so can now
>>> dedicate some more time to edubuntu, again, and, teaching will be out for
>>> the year in just about 4 weeks. Like many users of edubuntu, I need help
>>>
>> to
>>
>>> install/upgrade/troubleshoot/fix things. One key resource for self-help
>>>
>> is
>>
>>> the wiki. People have been working hard to improve it as a whole. I'm
>>> suggesting to choose maybe a dozen 'hot spots'--topics that are critical
>>>
>> to
>>
>>> make edubuntu work in a school setting, and make great wiki pages on
>>>
>> them.
>>
>>> A perfect example of what I'm talking about is the work of Gavin and his
>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT page.
>>>
>> While
>>
>>> it is true that 3 other people have also improved that page, Gavin made a
>>> big effort to make sure this critical task was CLEARLY and thoroughly
>>> explained. There is no such thing as perfect but there is excellent and
>>> that page is.
>>>
>>> I've spent I don't know how many hours battling iTALC and alkisg has
>>>
>> spent
>>
>>> at least 2 or 3 hours trying to help me. He one time groaned when I told
>>> him that I had followed the directions on the wiki. These might have
>>>
>> been
>>
>>> pretty good for Hardy, but I had Jaunty and just hoped it would work; it
>>> didn't, nor does it still.
>>>
>>> Here are some possible 'sticky points'. There might be some good wiki
>>>
>> pages
>>
>>> on them now, but when I first tackled these tasks, they were lacking.
>>>
>> They
>>
>>> are critical to many school setups.
>>>
>>> --iTALC setup
>>> --Basic squid proxy setup
>>> --Localapps setup
>>> --Backup System
>>> --using flash
>>> --using java
>>> --setting up file-sharing systems for one's classes
>>>
>>> I need to understand iTALC and make it work. I would be more than happy
>>>
>> to
>>
>>> polish this iTALC wiki page. I'll need mentoring, a lot at the start,
>>>
>> but a
>>
>>> great wiki page saves time for everyone and helps edubuntu users feel
>>> confident. Is there anyone who knows iTALC that would serve as my
>>>
>> technical
>>
>>> mentor on this wiki page? What would you add to or remove from the list
>>>
>> of
>>
>>> sticky points?
>>>
>> I had quite a bit of experience with iTALC back in 2006, in fact the
>> article I wrote back then on compiling iTALC from source for Dapper
>> <
>> http://indianalinux.blogspot.com/2007/02/howto-install-italc-from-source-on.html
>>
>> is still, according to Google Analytics, the single most visited
>> article on my somewhat comatose blog.
>>
>> My big problem was simply that there weren't up to date iTALC packages
>> for Ubuntu, and building from source gave me that.
>>
>> I was working on just "normal" Desktops, though, so I have
>> *absolutely* no experience with iTALC on LTSP. (no experience with
>> LTSP yet, really)
>>
>> Still, I may be able to help if your questions are basically just
>> iTALC-related. What problems are you having?
>>
>>
>>> David G
>>>
>> Sim?n R
>>
>> P.S. Just in case you're unaware: iTALC 1.x development ground to a
>> halt as the developer (a college student who codes in his free time)
>> works on version 2.0. The latest version, 1.0.10, was just released
>> after a couple of years break, and it pretty much just includes bug
>> fixes.
>>
>>
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> Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 23:37:42 -0400
> From: dbclinton <dbclin@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: ltsp-gui
> To: Peter <mittwit@gmail.com>
> Cc: edubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <1273981062.1820.11.camel@rishon>
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>
> Hello,
> Here's what I discovered about my problem:
> My best guess is that ltsp failed to properly install (during the actual
> hard disk install process) because it couldn't get past my proxy server.
> Now, while in the live CD gui, I had configured my proxy info including
> authentication, but that information doesn't seem to have been passed to
> the actual installed system (I know that because I had to set it again
> once the install was done).
> Here's what I did to install ltsp on the HD (thanks to the guys a irc
> #edubuntu - if you don't have a proxy server, ignore the "export
> http..." line):
> First:
> use synaptic to install ltsp-server-standalone (NOT ltsp-server, but
> ltsp-server-standalone!)
> Then, from terminal:
> sudo -i
> export
> http_proxy=http://[yourproxyusername]:[proxypassword]@[proxyipaddress]:[proxyport]/
> ltsp-build-client
> Good luck
>
> On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 11:27 +0000, Peter wrote:
>
>> dbclinton <dbclin <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Working on the assumption that there are probably other people just as
>>> dumb as I am and that this might be useful for a circle wider than just
>>> me, where did the ltsp gui go on edubuntu 10.04? It was under
>>> "applications/other" while I was running a live CD session (and it
>>> worked perfectly there), during the actual install (from live CD) I saw
>>> a desktop icon, but once I'd rebooted into the OS, both the menu item
>>> and the desktop icon had disappeared (not to mention my configurations
>>> from the live CD session).
>>> I searched Edubuntu Menu Editor and Synaptic to no avail and played
>>> around in Terminal, getting some kind of response with "sudo
>>> ltsp-install" - but nothing effective.
>>> I could always do it the old-fashioned way as in past installs, but I am
>>> at least curious as to where the GUI has gone.
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I was very impressed when I ran the edubuntu 10.04 live cd and had clients
>> working at a press of a button. So I was rather disappointed to find I had to
>> install ltsp from scratch to get it working once I installed edu 10.04 on my
>> server. So add me to the dumb list, especially if there is a script somewhere
>> that I missed. I have ltsp working on ubuntu 9.04 with fat clients and want to
>> set up on edubuntu 10.04 but I'm not sure if I just do it the same way as before
>> or if the set-up is different with 10.04. I guess I will just try and see what
>> happens.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Old 05-16-2010, 09:37 PM
David Groos
 
Default edubuntu-users Digest, Vol 48, Issue 9

Hi Paul,

Thanks for your continued effort at communicating your experiences with this.* Personally, I've not yet gotten to try and install Lucid with LTSP and thus don't have much to say but, 'good luck!' Well actually I was working on it, got repeatedly stymied and have put it on the back burner till the school year is out and I've got more time to address it.


Have you seen this page?* It's not so easy to find but I've heard it's up to date with Lucid.

This page is the mother-load of LTSP-related links... though of course of varying states of up-to-datedness.

What has been your experience searching for needed info related to installing Lucid/Edubuntu?


David




On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 3:17 PM, ps <ps@gedec.org> wrote:


Dear List



About 10.04 ltsp, I wrote a while ago about the problembut so far there

was response that would help in any way. However, I found that if you

nstall 9.10 and then upgradeto 10.04 ltsp at least tries to work by

giving thin client an ip address but no image. It seems that there is no

tc image ready and you have to create it first and place it in the

correct folder. Then it should work.



Paul









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> * *1. Re: ltsp-gui (Peter)

> * *2. Re: Mentoring for improving wiki pages? (David Groos)

> * *3. Re: ltsp-gui (dbclinton)

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> Message: 1

> Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 11:27:42 +0000 (UTC)

> From: Peter <mittwit@gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: ltsp-gui

> To: edubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com

> Message-ID: <loom.20100515T131136-699@post.gmane.org>

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

>

> dbclinton <dbclin <at> gmail.com> writes:

>

>

>> Hi,

>> Working on the assumption that there are probably other people just as

>> dumb as I am and that this might be useful for a circle wider than just

>> me, where did the ltsp gui go on edubuntu 10.04? It was under

>> "applications/other" while I was running a live CD session (and it

>> worked perfectly there), during the actual install (from live CD) I saw

>> a desktop icon, but once I'd rebooted into the OS, both the menu item

>> and the desktop icon had disappeared (not to mention my configurations

>> from the live CD session).

>> I searched Edubuntu Menu Editor and Synaptic to no avail and played

>> around in Terminal, getting some kind of response with "sudo

>> ltsp-install" - but nothing effective.

>> I could always do it the old-fashioned way as in past installs, but I am

>> at least curious as to where the GUI has gone.

>> Thanks,

>>

>>

>>

>

> I was very impressed when I ran the edubuntu 10.04 live cd and had clients

> working at a press of a button. So I was rather disappointed to find I had to

> install ltsp from scratch to get it working once I installed edu 10.04 on my

> server. So add me to the dumb list, especially if there is a script somewhere

> that I missed. I have ltsp working on ubuntu 9.04 with fat clients and want to

> set up on edubuntu 10.04 but I'm not sure if I just do it the same way as before

> or if the set-up is different with 10.04. I guess I will just try and see what

> happens.

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------

>

> Message: 2

> Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 19:42:32 -0500

> From: David Groos <djgroos@gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: Mentoring for improving wiki pages?

> To: Sim?n Ruiz <simon.a.ruiz@gmail.com>

> Cc: edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com, *ubuntu-education

> * * * <ubuntu-education@lists.ubuntu.com>, * *Edubuntu Users Group

> * * * <edubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>

> Message-ID:

> * * * <AANLkTik8NMyqau8XNKWU3zYENPEHHDq8ftfWVFhxlCqd@mai l.gmail.com>

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

>

> Gavin and Sim?n thanks for your offers to help me write some good

> pages--I'll take you up on all of it, starting with the iTALC. *Also, thanks

> for the history--something which I think is important to include, briefly,

> in the wiki as well. *Hopefully, others in the community with additional

> knowledge, both from a programming and implementation-perspective, will

> chime in as needed.

>

> For starters, it would be a great time-saver on my part if people would

> direct me to good reference articles on iTALC for Ubuntu (I know it's used

> with Windows as well but I'm not focusing on that). *I of course could do a

> google search on iTALC (done it many times, actually), however, I don't know

> what is outdated or applies to the areas of interest. *The info I'm looking

> for is:

> --History of the project

> --Accuracy of the ubuntu page on italc (it says it is only good for Hardy)

> --Differences between versions for Hardy, Jaunty, Karmic, Lucid (I'll be

> focusing on Jaunty, Karmic, Lucid)

> --Successful applications of iTALC

> --CURRENT issues--limitations--with iTALC.

> --Theory on iTALC.

>

> Any favorite links or mini-lessons would be much appreciated!

>

> Thanks!

> David

>

> PS--Sounds like we need a tutorial on installing Edubuntu/LTSP from recent

> list-server e-mails--it's not that people are dumb, it's that wiki pages

> need improving!

>

>

>

> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Sim?n Ruiz <simon.a.ruiz@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>

>> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:37 PM, David Groos <djgroos@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>> Hi All,

>>>

>>> I just turned in my final last night for my statistics class so can now

>>> dedicate some more time to edubuntu, again, and, teaching will be out for

>>> the year in just about 4 weeks. *Like many users of edubuntu, I need help

>>>

>> to

>>

>>> install/upgrade/troubleshoot/fix things. *One key resource for self-help

>>>

>> is

>>

>>> the wiki. *People have been working hard to improve it as a whole. *I'm

>>> suggesting to choose maybe a dozen 'hot spots'--topics that are critical

>>>

>> to

>>

>>> make edubuntu work in a school setting, and make great wiki pages on

>>>

>> them.

>>

>>> A perfect example of what I'm talking about is the work of Gavin and his

>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT page.

>>>

>> While

>>

>>> it is true that 3 other people have also improved that page, Gavin made a

>>> big effort to make sure this critical task was CLEARLY and thoroughly

>>> explained. *There is no such thing as perfect but there is excellent and

>>> that page is.

>>>

>>> I've spent I don't know how many hours battling iTALC and alkisg has

>>>

>> spent

>>

>>> at least 2 or 3 hours trying to help me. *He one time groaned when I told

>>> him that I had followed the directions on the wiki. *These might have

>>>

>> been

>>

>>> pretty good for Hardy, but I had Jaunty and just hoped it would work; it

>>> didn't, nor does it still.

>>>

>>> Here are some possible 'sticky points'. *There might be some good wiki

>>>

>> pages

>>

>>> on them now, but when I first tackled these tasks, they were lacking.

>>>

>> They

>>

>>> are critical to many school setups.

>>>

>>> --iTALC setup

>>> --Basic squid proxy setup

>>> --Localapps setup

>>> --Backup System

>>> --using flash

>>> --using java

>>> --setting up file-sharing systems for one's classes

>>>

>>> I need to understand iTALC and make it work. * I would be more than happy

>>>

>> to

>>

>>> polish this iTALC wiki page. *I'll need mentoring, a lot at the start,

>>>

>> but a

>>

>>> great wiki page saves time for everyone and helps edubuntu users feel

>>> confident. *Is there anyone who knows iTALC that would serve as my

>>>

>> technical

>>

>>> mentor on this wiki page? *What would you add to or remove from the list

>>>

>> of

>>

>>> sticky points?

>>>

>> I had quite a bit of experience with iTALC back in 2006, in fact the

>> article I wrote back then on compiling iTALC from source for Dapper

>> <

>> http://indianalinux.blogspot.com/2007/02/howto-install-italc-from-source-on.html

>>

>> is still, according to Google Analytics, the single most visited

>> article on my somewhat comatose blog.

>>

>> My big problem was simply that there weren't up to date iTALC packages

>> for Ubuntu, and building from source gave me that.

>>

>> I was working on just "normal" Desktops, though, so I have

>> *absolutely* no experience with iTALC on LTSP. (no experience with

>> LTSP yet, really)

>>

>> Still, I may be able to help if your questions are basically just

>> iTALC-related. What problems are you having?

>>

>>

>>> David G

>>>

>> Sim?n R

>>

>> P.S. Just in case you're unaware: iTALC 1.x development ground to a

>> halt as the developer (a college student who codes in his free time)

>> works on version 2.0. The latest version, 1.0.10, was just released

>> after a couple of years break, and it pretty much just includes bug

>> fixes.

>>

>>

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>

> Message: 3

> Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 23:37:42 -0400

> From: dbclinton <dbclin@gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: ltsp-gui

> To: Peter <mittwit@gmail.com>

> Cc: edubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com

> Message-ID: <1273981062.1820.11.camel@rishon>

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

>

> Hello,

> Here's what I discovered about my problem:

> My best guess is that ltsp failed to properly install (during the actual

> hard disk install process) because it couldn't get past my proxy server.

> Now, while in the live CD gui, I had configured my proxy info including

> authentication, but that information doesn't seem to have been passed to

> the actual installed system (I know that because I had to set it again

> once the install was done).

> Here's what I did to install ltsp on the HD (thanks to the guys a irc

> #edubuntu - if you don't have a proxy server, ignore the "export

> http..." line):

> First:

> use synaptic to install ltsp-server-standalone (NOT ltsp-server, but

> ltsp-server-standalone!)

> Then, from terminal:

> sudo -i

> export

> http_proxy=http://[yourproxyusername]:[proxypassword]@[proxyipaddress]:[proxyport]/

> ltsp-build-client

> Good luck

>

> On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 11:27 +0000, Peter wrote:

>

>> dbclinton <dbclin <at> gmail.com> writes:

>>

>>

>>> Hi,

>>> Working on the assumption that there are probably other people just as

>>> dumb as I am and that this might be useful for a circle wider than just

>>> me, where did the ltsp gui go on edubuntu 10.04? It was under

>>> "applications/other" while I was running a live CD session (and it

>>> worked perfectly there), during the actual install (from live CD) I saw

>>> a desktop icon, but once I'd rebooted into the OS, both the menu item

>>> and the desktop icon had disappeared (not to mention my configurations

>>> from the live CD session).

>>> I searched Edubuntu Menu Editor and Synaptic to no avail and played

>>> around in Terminal, getting some kind of response with "sudo

>>> ltsp-install" - but nothing effective.

>>> I could always do it the old-fashioned way as in past installs, but I am

>>> at least curious as to where the GUI has gone.

>>> Thanks,

>>>

>>>

>>>

>> I was very impressed when I ran the edubuntu 10.04 live cd and had clients

>> working at a press of a button. So I was rather disappointed to find I had to

>> install ltsp from scratch to get it working once I installed edu 10.04 on my

>> server. So add me to the dumb list, especially if there is a script somewhere

>> that I missed. I have ltsp working on ubuntu 9.04 with fat clients and want to

>> set up on edubuntu 10.04 but I'm not sure if I just do it the same way as before

>> or if the set-up is different with 10.04. I guess I will just try and see what

>> happens.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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