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Old 08-24-2008, 08:38 PM
dbclinton
 
Default Apps hanging around.

I believe they mean das-watchdog

On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 13:34 -0700, Luis Montes wrote:
> Do you have some more info on this? The only watchdog app i can find is
> for restarting the box.
>
> Luis
>
>


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Old 08-24-2008, 09:40 PM
"R. Scott Belford"
 
Default Apps hanging around.

On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Luis Montes <monteslu@cox.net> wrote:



Do you have some more info on this? The only watchdog app i can find is for restarting the box.



Luis




This was addressed in my 'Edubuntu* - A Released Debacle and a Practice
in Failure' posting last year.* It appears that the lingering user
issue remains.* See below for the link



from 12-11-2007

Lingering Users


https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2007-November/002716.html


The average teacher will not be able to fix this



Dennis Melnikov also noted that

"Gnome suffers from multiple user's logins as well as Firefox. There is 'Disable multiple logins for a single user' checkbox in Login Window Preferences, but it doesn't work. Gnome-watchdog is a great tool but it's a workaround.* The bug (#83835) was reported 2002-06-01 - FIVE years ago!* I've posted a recent bug in 2007-12-04 (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=501543) - no reply, no assignment."




I have not touched 8.04 yet.* The following were other gotchas for 7.10 that may or may not have been addressed with 8.04.* Maybe some of this will help for those using thin clients....




Slow Open Office


https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2007-November/002716.html


The average teacher will not know to look for this





Thin Client Manager does not work


It worked with 7.04, and teachers depend on it quickly. Yes, I know


that there is a workaround to install TT, but, if our standard is what


can an average teacher do, this is too much. Open a command line, and


you lose half the potential audience.





IP-forwarding


There seems to be uncertainty, conflicting information, and a possible


bug with sysctl.conf


https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2007-December/002907.html





No lts.conf file


The LTSP has always worked with most hardware, but it often takes a


tweaked lts.conf file. For there not to be a lts.conf file addressing a


common denominator of our minimally recommended hardware is buggy. A


default of 32 bits for color seems a mistake. Part of the evolution of


the K12ltsp is its well-modified lts.conf file. Asking a teacher not


only to modify one but also to create one is a bit intense.





Amd64 with i386 clients


Several threads have gone unresolved on this. A few examples of success


have been observed. The variable seems to be the speed of the clients.





If you are still reading, I can tell you that I went to great extent to
inform all key Canonical employees, both at IBM's Linuxworld reception
a the W, and at the Moscone in San Francisco, that key opportunities
for market gain were lost last year with the release and management of
Edubuntu 7.10.* I am not a troll - I am a social entrepreneur with
relationships with our State Universities, our Department of Education,
and our City and County, all of whom host ubuntu or edubuntu labs donated by
our charitable non-profit.* Many, many people turned to me with 7.10
and said WTF - fix it, linuxguy!



I appreciate the relationship between Canonical and the community.* It
is admirable.* Seeing that Mark Shuttleworth made an appearance at
Debconf is demonstrative of the commitment between Canonical and the
Community.



I am concerned that paid Canonical employees are becoming enraptured
with the idea that "we own the Desktop" and are forgetting that Apple
and MS have historically targeted education to build their customer
base.* The flippant comments I received from key employees at Linuxworld were not
encouraging.* I provided them critical, real-world, market feedback
from a well-established 501(c)(3) with strong civic and business
relationships in America's 50th State.



As I write I am rebuilding the 1.7 TB HOSEF mirror hosted at UH, and the first
two distros I began to rsync are Ubuntu and Debian.* Unfortunately, as I
write I am still waiting to hear from the Canonical employees I
addressed at Linuxworld.* As absurd as this seems, I was told that
no one from their support team follows this list, but, if I wanted to
address this issue with Canonical, then I should blog or post about
it.* This is what I am now doing.



Understanding from discussions at IBM's W reception that Canonical was
looking to make inroads in the States, I took action.* I informed
Canonical that I had functioning computer labs running Ubuntu in our
City and County Parks' recreation centers, functioning computer labs
running Ubuntu in our DOE schools, functioning computer labs running
Ubuntu at the Boys and Girls Clubs, functioning computer stations
running Ubuntu in Isabela and San Manuel in the Philippines, in Western
and American Samoa, and at an orphanage and shelter in Cambodia.* After
visiting with two particular employees at the Linux Picnic in Sunnyvale
the Saturday following LInuxworld, I arranged meetings with Canonical to meet with
our University's CIO, our City's CIO, the head of education outreach
for our community colleges, and our DOE.



To date - I have arranged these high level meetings but have not heard
back from the Canonical employee who wanted me to do this so that he
could have a good start in Hawaii's business climate.* My only other
tactic is to contact Barton George of Sun, who was at Debconf with
Mark Shuttleworth, and see if he can help.* Since I hosted both Barton and Richard
Stallman as part of our annual FOSS conference in Hawaii last year, I am
hoping that he can influence Canonical's valuation of its Edubuntu
branch.* There are, after all, some serious sales Government sales for Sun in all this.

I have to believe that someone interested in the long-term growth of Canonical, the transformational effect from getting Ubuntu's tools into the K-12 climate, and fostering future users, would take a strategic look at the management of Edubuntu and say TIME OUT.* There is tremendous opportunity being left on the table.* Canonical cannot plan, budget, and execute the kind of success that the 'community' can achieve, but it is up to them to follow up and build upon it if they wish to 'own the desktop.'


Three years ago I partnered Novell with our DOE and University to provide the first Linux+ curricula for a State DOE and to expand the certification offers at our Community Colleges.* There are few communities as mature and driven as the one HOSEF has catalyzed in Hawaii.* I believe I epitomize the kind of community Canonical employees can grow upon.* I don't understand how to close this loop more effectively.* I officially offer myself to be your North American education Catalyst.


With Respect

--scott


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Old 08-25-2008, 07:52 PM
Luis Montes
 
Default Apps hanging around.

I found the bug on launchpad this weekend, but can't seem to find it
this morning.

Someone suggested in the comments to replace

libsdl1.2debian-alsa with libsdl1.2debian-all

That seemed to do the trick. I have sound and I can close tuxpain, wesnoth, etc.

Luis



Gavin McCullagh wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008, Luis Montes wrote:
>
>
>> Looks like I can close the apps when clearing those env variables.
>> This worked for both wesnoth and tuxpaint.
>>
>
> Okay. We should probably get a bug reported in launchpad. As I recall,
> last time this was brought up, we concluded that it was against apps which
> used libsdl (tuxpaint, tuxmath, gcompris,...). I'm not certain what
> package to file against in ubuntu. You could file against tuxpaint or
> gcompris and see what the package maintainer makes of it.
>
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2007-December/thread.html#3025
>
>
>> Any chance going against an external ldap server for
>> authentication/authorization has anything to do with this?
>> (just in case sound requires certain groups)
>>
>
> Not that I'm aware. However, if you find this is an issue, please let us
> know.
>
> Gavin
>
>
>


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Old 08-25-2008, 08:57 PM
Gavin McCullagh
 
Default Apps hanging around.

Hi,

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Luis Montes wrote:

> I found the bug on launchpad this weekend, but can't seem to find it
> this morning.
>
> Someone suggested in the comments to replace
>
> libsdl1.2debian-alsa with libsdl1.2debian-all
>
> That seemed to do the trick. I have sound and I can close tuxpain, wesnoth, etc.

Fantastic! If you can track down the bug report for us, that'd be really
cool but if not, a solution is good. I presume what you did is to run:

sudo apt-get install libsdl1.2debian-all

and allow it to remove libsdl1.2debian-alsa.

Olle, Vu: could you try this and see does it fix your problem?

Gavin


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