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Old 04-26-2008, 07:51 PM
Florian Kulzer
 
Default Mail-Followup-To and mutt

On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 21:43:58 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:00:25PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
>
> > > > |_______ Unless I ask to be CCd, assume I am subscribed _______|
> > >
> > > Your Mail-Followup-To header indicates that you want to be CC'ed. Is
> > > that true? [Sending this to you, but with M-F-T to the list.]
> > >
> > > Sven
> > Hi Sven,
> > I use mutt with 'L' for list reply. Is that the way to fix the m-f-t?
> > If not, what suggestion?
>
> Funny, I don't have this at all. If I recall correctly it is set when
> you 'subscribe' to a list in muttrc. I don't do that and I don't think
> it's really necessary anymore.

If you do not explicitly "subscribe" (in ~/.muttrc) to a mailing list
then mutt will generate Mail-Followup-To headers for the list address
and for your personal address. It assumes that you are not subscribed
(in reality) to this list but you still want to receive reactions to
your mail directly:

file:///usr/share/doc/mutt/html/reference.html#followup-to
file:///usr/share/doc/mutt/html/configuration.html#lists

Something like

subscribe 'debian-.*@lists.debian.org'

should suppress the personal Mail-Followup-To header for all debian
lists. You can also use "unset followup_to", which will suppress the
generation of any Mail-Followup-To headers for mailing lists.

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Old 04-26-2008, 10:12 PM
Andrei Popescu
 
Default Mail-Followup-To and mutt

On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 09:51:03PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 21:43:58 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:00:25PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
> >
> > > > > |_______ Unless I ask to be CCd, assume I am subscribed _______|
> > > >
> > > > Your Mail-Followup-To header indicates that you want to be CC'ed. Is
> > > > that true? [Sending this to you, but with M-F-T to the list.]
> > > >
> > > > Sven
> > > Hi Sven,
> > > I use mutt with 'L' for list reply. Is that the way to fix the m-f-t?
> > > If not, what suggestion?
> >
> > Funny, I don't have this at all. If I recall correctly it is set when
> > you 'subscribe' to a list in muttrc. I don't do that and I don't think
> > it's really necessary anymore.
>
> If you do not explicitly "subscribe" (in ~/.muttrc) to a mailing list
> then mutt will generate Mail-Followup-To headers for the list address
> and for your personal address. It assumes that you are not subscribed
> (in reality) to this list but you still want to receive reactions to
> your mail directly:
>
> file:///usr/share/doc/mutt/html/reference.html#followup-to
> file:///usr/share/doc/mutt/html/configuration.html#lists
>
> Something like
>
> subscribe 'debian-.*@lists.debian.org'
>
> should suppress the personal Mail-Followup-To header for all debian
> lists. You can also use "unset followup_to", which will suppress the
> generation of any Mail-Followup-To headers for mailing lists.

From what I read here:

,----[ man muttrc ]
| followup_to
| Type: boolean
| Default: yes
|
| Controls whether or not the Mail-Followup-To header field is
| generated when sending mail. When set, Mutt will generate this
| field when you are replying to a known mailing list, specified with
| the subscribe or lists commands.
`----

mutt will generate the Mail-Followup-To header only if I 'subscribe' to
the list. So by my policy of minimal changes it makes sense to leave it
at the default (yes) and not subscribe to any mailing list.

Regards,
Andrei
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Old 04-27-2008, 02:43 AM
Kevin Mark
 
Default Mail-Followup-To and mutt

On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 09:51:03PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 21:43:58 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:00:25PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
> >
> > > > > |_______ Unless I ask to be CCd, assume I am subscribed _______|
> > > >
> > > > Your Mail-Followup-To header indicates that you want to be CC'ed. Is
> > > > that true? [Sending this to you, but with M-F-T to the list.]
> > > >
> > > > Sven
> > > Hi Sven,
> > > I use mutt with 'L' for list reply. Is that the way to fix the m-f-t?
> > > If not, what suggestion?
> >
> > Funny, I don't have this at all. If I recall correctly it is set when
> > you 'subscribe' to a list in muttrc. I don't do that and I don't think
> > it's really necessary anymore.
>
> If you do not explicitly "subscribe" (in ~/.muttrc) to a mailing list
> then mutt will generate Mail-Followup-To headers for the list address
> and for your personal address. It assumes that you are not subscribed
> (in reality) to this list but you still want to receive reactions to
> your mail directly:
>
> file:///usr/share/doc/mutt/html/reference.html#followup-to
> file:///usr/share/doc/mutt/html/configuration.html#lists
>
> Something like
>
> subscribe 'debian-.*@lists.debian.org'
>
> should suppress the personal Mail-Followup-To header for all debian
> lists. You can also use "unset followup_to", which will suppress the
> generation of any Mail-Followup-To headers for mailing lists.

For some now unknow reason, I changed my 'subscribe' lines to 'lists'.
I will have to add them back.
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Old 04-27-2008, 12:34 PM
Florian Kulzer
 
Default Mail-Followup-To and mutt

On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 01:12:17 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 09:51:03PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:

[...]

> > If you do not explicitly "subscribe" (in ~/.muttrc) to a mailing list
> > then mutt will generate Mail-Followup-To headers for the list address
> > and for your personal address. It assumes that you are not subscribed
> > (in reality) to this list but you still want to receive reactions to
> > your mail directly:
> >
> > file:///usr/share/doc/mutt/html/reference.html#followup-to
> > file:///usr/share/doc/mutt/html/configuration.html#lists
> >
> > Something like
> >
> > subscribe 'debian-.*@lists.debian.org'
> >
> > should suppress the personal Mail-Followup-To header for all debian
> > lists. You can also use "unset followup_to", which will suppress the
> > generation of any Mail-Followup-To headers for mailing lists.
>
> From what I read here:
>
> ,----[ man muttrc ]
> | followup_to
> | Type: boolean
> | Default: yes
> |
> | Controls whether or not the Mail-Followup-To header field is
> | generated when sending mail. When set, Mutt will generate this
> | field when you are replying to a known mailing list, specified with
> | the subscribe or lists commands.
> `----

...and in the next paragraph:

This field has two purposes. First, preventing you from receiving
duplicate copies of replies to messages which you send to mailing
lists, and second, ensuring that you do get a reply separately for
any messages sent to known lists to which you are not subscribed.
The header will contain only the list’s address for subscribed
lists, and both the list address and your own email address for
unsubscribed lists. Without this header, a group reply to your
message sent to a subscribed list will be sent to both the list and
your address, resulting in two copies of the same email for you.

My version of mutt (1.5.17+20080114-1+b1) is newer than yours, so maybe
this behavior was changed recently or the older manpage is less
explicitly clear about it.

> mutt will generate the Mail-Followup-To header only if I 'subscribe' to
> the list. So by my policy of minimal changes it makes sense to leave it
> at the default (yes) and not subscribe to any mailing list.

Interesting, I did not know that "list-reply" still works in this case.
I now tried it and it does, contrary to what the documentation seems to
suggest:

list-reply (default: L)

Reply to the current or tagged message(s) by extracting any
addresses which match the regular expressions given by the lists or
subscribe commands, ...

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Old 05-01-2008, 07:30 AM
Andrei Popescu
 
Default Mail-Followup-To and mutt

On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 02:34:55PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:

[...]

> My version of mutt (1.5.17+20080114-1+b1) is newer than yours, so maybe
> this behavior was changed recently or the older manpage is less
> explicitly clear about it.

No, it's the same, I just didn't read so far. As Kevin already stated it
was a misconfiguration on his side ('subscribe' was replaced with
'lists').

A question regarding setting Mail-Followupto to the mailing list: Does
it really work, you don't get Cc'd copies?

Regards,
Andrei
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