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Artifex Maximus 09-17-2012 09:48 AM

No shutdown after processor change
 
Hello!

I've changed my processor from E5200 to E8400. Since then my computer
does not shutdown. Sometimes the display and motherboard LEDs become
blank but PSU cooler runs. Sometimes Debian stops at System halted
line and no blank screen and machine keeps running. I think that only
CPU change cannot made such problem. I tried BIOS default setup
loading but no change. Any idea what to change? I have no idea.

Bye,
a


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Camaleón 09-17-2012 02:36 PM

No shutdown after processor change
 
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:48:53 +0200, Artifex Maximus wrote:

> I've changed my processor from E5200 to E8400. Since then my computer
> does not shutdown. Sometimes the display and motherboard LEDs become
> blank but PSU cooler runs. Sometimes Debian stops at System halted line
> and no blank screen and machine keeps running. I think that only CPU
> change cannot made such problem. I tried BIOS default setup loading but
> no change. Any idea what to change? I have no idea.

I would look for a BIOS update, just in case. Whether in doubt, ask your
motherboard's manufacturer about this step.

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lee 09-17-2012 06:29 PM

No shutdown after processor change
 
Artifex Maximus <artifexor@gmail.com> writes:

> I've changed my processor from E5200 to E8400. Since then my computer
> does not shutdown.

It's possible that you damaged your board in the process.

> Sometimes the display and motherboard LEDs become blank but PSU cooler
> runs.

It's a feature of some PSUs to leave the fan running until they have
cooled down some after turning off the computer.

> Sometimes Debian stops at System halted line and no blank screen and
> machine keeps running.

At that point, your system is shut down and the only thing it doesn't do
is turning itself off. That can be a software issue --- I never figured
out what kernel modules are needed for that.

> I think that only CPU change cannot made such problem. I tried BIOS
> default setup loading but no change. Any idea what to change? I have
> no idea.

You could start by looking at what's in syslog and dmesg and by checking
the loaded modules. You could boot from a live/installer DVD/CD and see
if the computer turns off when you shut it down to get an indication if
there is a software or a hardware problem. I don't know if the DVDs/CDs
actually turn the computer off, though, something to find out first.


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Artifex Maximus 09-18-2012 06:30 PM

No shutdown after processor change
 
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:48:53 +0200, Artifex Maximus wrote:
>
>> I've changed my processor from E5200 to E8400. Since then my computer
>> does not shutdown. Sometimes the display and motherboard LEDs become
>> blank but PSU cooler runs. Sometimes Debian stops at System halted line
>> and no blank screen and machine keeps running. I think that only CPU
>> change cannot made such problem. I tried BIOS default setup loading but
>> no change. Any idea what to change? I have no idea.
>
> I would look for a BIOS update, just in case. Whether in doubt, ask your
> motherboard's manufacturer about this step.

Thanks. Motherboard has the latest BIOS from 2008 and wrote for
support to manufacturer (Fujitsu-Siemens). The answer is what I
expect:

"we are sorry, but probably problem is because of the OS and changed CPU.
None of them are supported. Supported OS is:
Windows Vista and supported CPUs are:

38006431 CPU INTEL PDC E2140 / 775
38006431 CPU INTEL PDC E2140 / 775
38009419 CPU INTEL PDC E2160 775 45W"

Nice. So no help from manufacturer as I am using not supported CPU and
systems. Typical problem of brand name and its support.

I still have no idea why system cannot shutdown with different CPU.

Bye,
a


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Artifex Maximus 09-18-2012 06:35 PM

No shutdown after processor change
 
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:29 PM, lee <lee@yun.yagibdah.de> wrote:
> Artifex Maximus <artifexor@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I've changed my processor from E5200 to E8400. Since then my computer
>> does not shutdown.
>
> It's possible that you damaged your board in the process.

Thanks for your answer. I did it several times and otherwise works
perfectly so I do not think so.

>> Sometimes the display and motherboard LEDs become blank but PSU cooler
>> runs.
>
> It's a feature of some PSUs to leave the fan running until they have
> cooled down some after turning off the computer.

Never ever did before. I think this is not the case here.

>> Sometimes Debian stops at System halted line and no blank screen and
>> machine keeps running.
>
> At that point, your system is shut down and the only thing it doesn't do
> is turning itself off. That can be a software issue --- I never figured
> out what kernel modules are needed for that.
>
>> I think that only CPU change cannot made such problem. I tried BIOS
>> default setup loading but no change. Any idea what to change? I have
>> no idea.
>
> You could start by looking at what's in syslog and dmesg and by checking
> the loaded modules. You could boot from a live/installer DVD/CD and see
> if the computer turns off when you shut it down to get an indication if
> there is a software or a hardware problem. I don't know if the DVDs/CDs
> actually turn the computer off, though, something to find out first.

Thank you. I'll take a look on it.

Bye,
a


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Camaleón 09-19-2012 03:01 PM

No shutdown after processor change
 
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:30:04 +0200, Artifex Maximus wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com> wrote:

>> I would look for a BIOS update, just in case. Whether in doubt, ask
>> your motherboard's manufacturer about this step.
>
> Thanks. Motherboard has the latest BIOS from 2008 and wrote for support
> to manufacturer (Fujitsu-Siemens). The answer is what I expect:
>
> "we are sorry, but probably problem is because of the OS and changed
> CPU. None of them are supported. Supported OS is: Windows Vista and
> supported CPUs are:
>
> 38006431 CPU INTEL PDC E2140 / 775
> 38006431 CPU INTEL PDC E2140 / 775
> 38009419 CPU INTEL PDC E2160 775 45W"

Wow... how bad. Is not only that the manufacturer does not provide a new
BIOS update, but neither provides support for Linux (expected) nor for
the model of microprocessor you have bought.

> Nice. So no help from manufacturer as I am using not supported CPU and
> systems. Typical problem of brand name and its support.

The poblem here is that these motherboards are too much customized for
the computer manufacturer and can implement settings and instructions
which are not available when sold as stand-alone (separate) items.

> I still have no idea why system cannot shutdown with different CPU.

It does not have to be related but in your case it quite evident there's
a straight cause-effect relation. Given that shutting down problems are
usually close related to ACPI and ACPI is handled in first place by the
BIOS revisions, an upgrade could have helped to solve the problem but if
there are no new firmwares available you can try to load an updated
kernel.

What Debian flavour are you running?

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"Selim T. Erdogan" 09-23-2012 07:55 AM

No shutdown after processor change
 
Artifex Maximus, 18.09.2012:
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:29 PM, lee <lee@yun.yagibdah.de> wrote:
> > Artifex Maximus <artifexor@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >> I've changed my processor from E5200 to E8400. Since then my computer
> >> does not shutdown.
> >
> > It's possible that you damaged your board in the process.
>
> Thanks for your answer. I did it several times and otherwise works
> perfectly so I do not think so.
>
> >> Sometimes the display and motherboard LEDs become blank but PSU cooler
> >> runs.
> >
> > It's a feature of some PSUs to leave the fan running until they have
> > cooled down some after turning off the computer.
>
> Never ever did before. I think this is not the case here.
>
> >> Sometimes Debian stops at System halted line and no blank screen and
> >> machine keeps running.
> >
> > At that point, your system is shut down and the only thing it doesn't do
> > is turning itself off. That can be a software issue --- I never figured
> > out what kernel modules are needed for that.
> >
> >> I think that only CPU change cannot made such problem. I tried BIOS
> >> default setup loading but no change. Any idea what to change? I have
> >> no idea.
> >
> > You could start by looking at what's in syslog and dmesg and by checking
> > the loaded modules. You could boot from a live/installer DVD/CD and see
> > if the computer turns off when you shut it down to get an indication if
> > there is a software or a hardware problem. I don't know if the DVDs/CDs
> > actually turn the computer off, though, something to find out first.
>
> Thank you. I'll take a look on it.

Did you make any software updates to the system? I have a pretty old
computer that is using wheezy and as I updated debian within the past
weeks it went back and forth between turning off properly and stalling
with "system halted" on the screen. I don't remember which one it's
been doing most recently.


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Artifex Maximus 09-26-2012 04:14 PM

No shutdown after processor change
 
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Selim T. Erdogan
<selim@alumni.cs.utexas.edu> wrote:
> Artifex Maximus, 18.09.2012:
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:29 PM, lee <lee@yun.yagibdah.de> wrote:
>> > Artifex Maximus <artifexor@gmail.com> writes:
>> >
>> >> I've changed my processor from E5200 to E8400. Since then my computer
>> >> does not shutdown.
>> >
>> > It's possible that you damaged your board in the process.
>>
>> Thanks for your answer. I did it several times and otherwise works
>> perfectly so I do not think so.
>>
>> >> Sometimes the display and motherboard LEDs become blank but PSU cooler
>> >> runs.
>> >
>> > It's a feature of some PSUs to leave the fan running until they have
>> > cooled down some after turning off the computer.
>>
>> Never ever did before. I think this is not the case here.
>>
>> >> Sometimes Debian stops at System halted line and no blank screen and
>> >> machine keeps running.
>> >
>> > At that point, your system is shut down and the only thing it doesn't do
>> > is turning itself off. That can be a software issue --- I never figured
>> > out what kernel modules are needed for that.
>> >
>> >> I think that only CPU change cannot made such problem. I tried BIOS
>> >> default setup loading but no change. Any idea what to change? I have
>> >> no idea.
>> >
>> > You could start by looking at what's in syslog and dmesg and by checking
>> > the loaded modules. You could boot from a live/installer DVD/CD and see
>> > if the computer turns off when you shut it down to get an indication if
>> > there is a software or a hardware problem. I don't know if the DVDs/CDs
>> > actually turn the computer off, though, something to find out first.
>>
>> Thank you. I'll take a look on it.
>
> Did you make any software updates to the system? I have a pretty old
> computer that is using wheezy and as I updated debian within the past
> weeks it went back and forth between turning off properly and stalling
> with "system halted" on the screen. I don't remember which one it's
> been doing most recently.

No I did not upgrade my system that time. Since then I do several
times but with the same result. The problem probably somewhere else
because if I am in the BIOS and press power button the system (CPU)
stops/freeze but the screen remains on and have to switch off with
power button on PSU. Later the system does not always detect the HDDs
at system start which is scaring. So I bought a new ASUS G41 board and
a new PSU. Hope that works. Actually I do not have time for build the
new system so there will be no new info till Friday. Might I first
will try to change only the CPU back to E5200 and see the errors gone
or still there. If gone the problem is clearly CPU related.

Bye,
a


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Stan Hoeppner 09-27-2012 03:44 AM

No shutdown after processor change
 
On 9/26/2012 11:14 AM, Artifex Maximus wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Selim T. Erdogan
> <selim@alumni.cs.utexas.edu> wrote:
>> Artifex Maximus, 18.09.2012:
>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:29 PM, lee <lee@yun.yagibdah.de> wrote:
>>>> Artifex Maximus <artifexor@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> I've changed my processor from E5200 to E8400. Since then my computer
>>>>> does not shutdown.
>>>>
>>>> It's possible that you damaged your board in the process.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your answer. I did it several times and otherwise works
>>> perfectly so I do not think so.
>>>
>>>>> Sometimes the display and motherboard LEDs become blank but PSU cooler
>>>>> runs.
>>>>
>>>> It's a feature of some PSUs to leave the fan running until they have
>>>> cooled down some after turning off the computer.
>>>
>>> Never ever did before. I think this is not the case here.
>>>
>>>>> Sometimes Debian stops at System halted line and no blank screen and
>>>>> machine keeps running.
>>>>
>>>> At that point, your system is shut down and the only thing it doesn't do
>>>> is turning itself off. That can be a software issue --- I never figured
>>>> out what kernel modules are needed for that.
>>>>
>>>>> I think that only CPU change cannot made such problem. I tried BIOS
>>>>> default setup loading but no change. Any idea what to change? I have
>>>>> no idea.
>>>>
>>>> You could start by looking at what's in syslog and dmesg and by checking
>>>> the loaded modules. You could boot from a live/installer DVD/CD and see
>>>> if the computer turns off when you shut it down to get an indication if
>>>> there is a software or a hardware problem. I don't know if the DVDs/CDs
>>>> actually turn the computer off, though, something to find out first.
>>>
>>> Thank you. I'll take a look on it.
>>
>> Did you make any software updates to the system? I have a pretty old
>> computer that is using wheezy and as I updated debian within the past
>> weeks it went back and forth between turning off properly and stalling
>> with "system halted" on the screen. I don't remember which one it's
>> been doing most recently.
>
> No I did not upgrade my system that time. Since then I do several
> times but with the same result. The problem probably somewhere else
> because if I am in the BIOS and press power button the system (CPU)
> stops/freeze but the screen remains on and have to switch off with
> power button on PSU. Later the system does not always detect the HDDs
> at system start which is scaring. So I bought a new ASUS G41 board and
> a new PSU. Hope that works. Actually I do not have time for build the
> new system so there will be no new info till Friday. Might I first
> will try to change only the CPU back to E5200 and see the errors gone
> or still there. If gone the problem is clearly CPU related.

Sorry for being late for the game. In nearly all cases this behavior is
a result of a new processor and an old BIOS whose code was not written
for the new processor. Simply flashing the system with the latest BIOS
usually fixes such issues. I don't see that mentioned above. Before
installing the new Asus board, I suggest putting the E5200 back in.
Confirm everything works as it did before relating to power switch,
device detection, etc. If it works, flash with the latest BIOS. Reboot
and verify new BIOS is working. If so, power down and install the
E8400. The problems should be gone.

I might be able to give you definitive information but you didn't state
your current mobo make/model. This problem is likely documented in the
errata, along with the solution, which is likely "upgrade to BIOS
version x.xx.xxx or later".

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Artifex Maximus 09-28-2012 06:02 PM

No shutdown after processor change
 
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 5:44 AM, Stan Hoeppner <stan@hardwarefreak.com> wrote:
> On 9/26/2012 11:14 AM, Artifex Maximus wrote:
>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Selim T. Erdogan
>> <selim@alumni.cs.utexas.edu> wrote:
>>> Artifex Maximus, 18.09.2012:
>>> Did you make any software updates to the system? I have a pretty old
>>> computer that is using wheezy and as I updated debian within the past
>>> weeks it went back and forth between turning off properly and stalling
>>> with "system halted" on the screen. I don't remember which one it's
>>> been doing most recently.
>>
>> No I did not upgrade my system that time. Since then I do several
>> times but with the same result. The problem probably somewhere else
>> because if I am in the BIOS and press power button the system (CPU)
>> stops/freeze but the screen remains on and have to switch off with
>> power button on PSU. Later the system does not always detect the HDDs
>> at system start which is scaring. So I bought a new ASUS G41 board and
>> a new PSU. Hope that works. Actually I do not have time for build the
>> new system so there will be no new info till Friday. Might I first
>> will try to change only the CPU back to E5200 and see the errors gone
>> or still there. If gone the problem is clearly CPU related.
>
> Sorry for being late for the game. In nearly all cases this behavior is
> a result of a new processor and an old BIOS whose code was not written
> for the new processor. Simply flashing the system with the latest BIOS
> usually fixes such issues. I don't see that mentioned above. Before
> installing the new Asus board, I suggest putting the E5200 back in.
> Confirm everything works as it did before relating to power switch,
> device detection, etc. If it works, flash with the latest BIOS. Reboot
> and verify new BIOS is working. If so, power down and install the
> E8400. The problems should be gone.

Thanks for your answer. I already installed my new board and
everything is fine. I tried E5200 and old motherboard lives again. So
my old board clearly not handle E8400. So bad. My new motherboard
handle E8400 and knows VT which is great.

> I might be able to give you definitive information but you didn't state
> your current mobo make/model. This problem is likely documented in the
> errata, along with the solution, which is likely "upgrade to BIOS
> version x.xx.xxx or later".

It's a Fujitsu-Siemens G31T-M2 manufactured by ECS but no such board
on ECS site. I flashed the last BIOS some years ago as BIOS is from
2008 and no success. Fujitsu support wrote an email that Linux and
E8400 is not supported by them.

Bye,
a


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