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lee 09-04-2012 05:43 PM

no input from microphone ( Do I still need alsa if I have pulseaudio)
 
Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> writes:

> On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 01:06:30PM +0200, lee wrote:
>> Having that said, alsa doesn't fully work in that the microphone input
>> of the on-board sound card is dead ever since audacious did something to
>> it. Pulseaudio won't fix that, and better don't ever run audacious ...
>
> Start a new thread, and no doubt someone will be able to help fix the
> problems with your microphone input.

The "start a new thread" request always kills the discussion. Let's see
what happens when I make a new one out of this ...

> Hint: many people are probably running audacious *and* successfully
> using their microphone.

I don't think it's fixable. This on-board card shows up in lspci as
"Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GF100 High Definition Audio
Controller" and is recognised fine by alsa. Sound output of that card
works, and I can turn up the mixer settings for the microphone all I
want and there is no input whatsoever from the mic. I have another card
installed and the same mic works with the additional card, so the
problem is not the mic. It used to work before I did something with
audacious which gave me a warning that it might not be a good idea --- I
don't remember what that was. Since then, the mic input of the card is
dead and I don't use audacious anymore. Any ideas how to fix this?


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Kelly Clowers 09-04-2012 07:15 PM

no input from microphone ( Do I still need alsa if I have pulseaudio)
 
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 10:43 AM, lee <lee@yun.yagibdah.de> wrote:
> Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> writes:
>
>> On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 01:06:30PM +0200, lee wrote:
>>> Having that said, alsa doesn't fully work in that the microphone input
>>> of the on-board sound card is dead ever since audacious did something to
>>> it. Pulseaudio won't fix that, and better don't ever run audacious ...
>>
>> Start a new thread, and no doubt someone will be able to help fix the
>> problems with your microphone input.
>
> The "start a new thread" request always kills the discussion. Let's see
> what happens when I make a new one out of this ...
>
>> Hint: many people are probably running audacious *and* successfully
>> using their microphone.
>
> I don't think it's fixable.
Sure it is. You even say it used to work. So unless that part of the
chip physically failed, it can be fixed.

> This on-board card shows up in lspci as
> "Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GF100 High Definition Audio
> Controller" and is recognised fine by alsa. Sound output of that card
> works, and I can turn up the mixer settings for the microphone all I
> want and there is no input whatsoever from the mic. I have another card
> installed and the same mic works with the additional card, so the
> problem is not the mic. It used to work before I did something with
> audacious which gave me a warning that it might not be a good idea --- I
> don't remember what that was. Since then, the mic input of the card is
> dead and I don't use audacious anymore. Any ideas how to fix this?

Can you post the sound card info from "lspci -v" (PCI ID, etc) ? And
please post the contents (if an) of /etc/asound.conf and ~/.asoundrc.

I believe you said you are not using PA, are you also not using
any other sound server, like Jack or the ancient aRts or ESD?


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Brad Rogers 09-04-2012 07:29 PM

no input from microphone ( Do I still need alsa if I have pulseaudio)
 
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:43:21 +0200
lee <lee@yun.yagibdah.de> wrote:

Hello lee,

>problem is not the mic. It used to work before I did something with
>audacious which gave me a warning that it might not be a good idea --- I
>don't remember what that was. Since then, the mic input of the card is
>dead and I don't use audacious anymore. Any ideas how to fix this?

If audacious said it wasn't a good idea, could it be because it was
possible it would kill the mic i/p of the card?

It might be possible to find someone that can fault find the card and
repair it, but it's probably cheaper to simply replace the card.

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Kelly Clowers 09-04-2012 08:54 PM

no input from microphone ( Do I still need alsa if I have pulseaudio)
 
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:43:21 +0200
> lee <lee@yun.yagibdah.de> wrote:
>
> Hello lee,
>
>>problem is not the mic. It used to work before I did something with
>>audacious which gave me a warning that it might not be a good idea --- I
>>don't remember what that was. Since then, the mic input of the card is
>>dead and I don't use audacious anymore. Any ideas how to fix this?
>
> If audacious said it wasn't a good idea, could it be because it was
> possible it would kill the mic i/p of the card?
>
> It might be possible to find someone that can fault find the card and
> repair it, but it's probably cheaper to simply replace the card.

Sounds like it is the Nvidia onboard HDA chip, not a card...
I have my doubts that it is that easy to actually fry the mic input...

Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Brad Rogers 09-04-2012 09:07 PM

no input from microphone ( Do I still need alsa if I have pulseaudio)
 
On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 13:54:47 -0700
Kelly Clowers <kelly.clowers@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Kelly,

>Sounds like it is the Nvidia onboard HDA chip, not a card...

Probably; I've not been following the thread too closely.

>I have my doubts that it is that easy to actually fry the mic input...

So do I but, if it was flaky to begin with, you never know.....

If it does prove to be a h/w fault, it's probably still cheaper to get a
new mobo. :-(

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lee 09-04-2012 11:26 PM

no input from microphone ( Do I still need alsa if I have pulseaudio)
 
Kelly Clowers <kelly.clowers@gmail.com> writes:

> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 10:43 AM, lee <lee@yun.yagibdah.de> wrote:
>
>> This on-board card shows up in lspci as
>> "Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GF100 High Definition Audio
>> Controller" and is recognised fine by alsa. Sound output of that card
>> works, and I can turn up the mixer settings for the microphone all I
>> want and there is no input whatsoever from the mic. I have another card
>> installed and the same mic works with the additional card, so the
>> problem is not the mic. It used to work before I did something with
>> audacious which gave me a warning that it might not be a good idea --- I
>> don't remember what that was. Since then, the mic input of the card is
>> dead and I don't use audacious anymore. Any ideas how to fix this?
>
> Can you post the sound card info from "lspci -v" (PCI ID, etc) ? And
> please post the contents (if an) of /etc/asound.conf and ~/.asoundrc.


,---- [lspci -v ]
| 01:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GF100 High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1)
| Subsystem: NVIDIA Corporation Device 079f
| Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 19
| Memory at fea7c000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
| Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 3
| Capabilities: [68] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
| Capabilities: [78] Express Endpoint, MSI 00
| Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
`----


There is no /etc/asound.conf and no ~/.asoundrc.


> I believe you said you are not using PA, are you also not using
> any other sound server, like Jack or the ancient aRts or ESD?

Nope, alsa only, no sound servers.


,----
| lee@yun:~$ lsmod |grep snd
| snd_hrtimer 12604 1
| snd_hda_codec_hdmi 30783 4
| snd_hda_codec_realtek 188797 1
| snd_hda_intel 26345 0
| snd_usb_audio 84836 0
| snd_usbmidi_lib 23420 1 snd_usb_audio
| snd_cmipci 32712 2
| snd_hda_codec 78031 3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_ hdmi
| snd_mpu401_uart 13507 1 snd_cmipci
| snd_opl3_lib 17445 1 snd_cmipci
| snd_pcm_oss 41081 0
| snd_mixer_oss 17916 1 snd_pcm_oss
| snd_hwdep 13186 3 snd_opl3_lib,snd_hda_codec,snd_usb_audio
| snd_pcm 63900 7 snd_pcm_oss,snd_hda_codec,snd_cmipci,snd_usb_audio ,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec_hdmi
| snd_page_alloc 13003 2 snd_pcm,snd_hda_intel
| snd_seq_midi 12848 0
| snd_seq_midi_event 13316 1 snd_seq_midi
| snd_rawmidi 23060 3 snd_seq_midi,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_usbmidi_lib
| snd_seq 45093 3 snd_seq_midi_event,snd_seq_midi
| snd_seq_device 13176 4 snd_seq,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_midi,snd_opl3_lib
| snd_timer 22917 5 snd_seq,snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_hrtimer
| snd 52850 20 snd_timer,snd_seq_device,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi,snd_p cm,snd_hwdep,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm_oss,snd_opl3_li b,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_hda_codec,snd_cmipci,snd_usb midi_lib,snd_usb_audio,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec _realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi
| gameport 13561 1 snd_cmipci
| soundcore 13065 1 snd
| usbcore 128498 9 ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd,usbhid,btusb,uvcvideo,snd_usbmid i_lib,snd_usb_audio
| lee@yun:~$
`----


The USB stuff is loaded because there's a webcam connected that has a
built-in mic (which I don't use).


,----
| lee@yun:~$ aplay -L
| null
| Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture)
| default:CARD=CMI8738
| C-Media CMI8738, C-Media PCI DAC/ADC
| Default Audio Device
| sysdefault:CARD=CMI8738
| C-Media CMI8738, C-Media PCI DAC/ADC
| Default Audio Device
| front:CARD=CMI8738,DEV=0
| C-Media CMI8738, C-Media PCI DAC/ADC
| Front speakers
| rear:CARD=CMI8738,DEV=0
| C-Media CMI8738, C-Media PCI 2nd DAC
| Rear speakers
| surround40:CARD=CMI8738,DEV=0
| C-Media CMI8738, C-Media PCI 2nd DAC
| 4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers
| surround41:CARD=CMI8738,DEV=0
| C-Media CMI8738, C-Media PCI 2nd DAC
| 4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
| surround50:CARD=CMI8738,DEV=0
| C-Media CMI8738, C-Media PCI 2nd DAC
| 5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers
| surround51:CARD=CMI8738,DEV=0
| C-Media CMI8738, C-Media PCI 2nd DAC
| 5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
| iec958:CARD=CMI8738,DEV=0
| C-Media CMI8738, C-Media PCI DAC/ADC
| IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output
| default:CARD=SB
| HDA ATI SB, ALC889 Analog
| Default Audio Device
| sysdefault:CARD=SB
| HDA ATI SB, ALC889 Analog
| Default Audio Device
| front:CARD=SB,DEV=0
| HDA ATI SB, ALC889 Analog
| Front speakers
| surround40:CARD=SB,DEV=0
| HDA ATI SB, ALC889 Analog
| 4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers
| surround41:CARD=SB,DEV=0
| HDA ATI SB, ALC889 Analog
| 4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
| surround50:CARD=SB,DEV=0
| HDA ATI SB, ALC889 Analog
| 5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers
| surround51:CARD=SB,DEV=0
| HDA ATI SB, ALC889 Analog
| 5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
| surround71:CARD=SB,DEV=0
| HDA ATI SB, ALC889 Analog
| 7.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Side, Rear and Woofer speakers
| iec958:CARD=SB,DEV=0
| HDA ATI SB, ALC889 Digital
| IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output
| hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0
| HDA NVidia, HDMI 0
| HDMI Audio Output
| hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=1
| HDA NVidia, HDMI 0
| HDMI Audio Output
| hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=2
| HDA NVidia, HDMI 0
| HDMI Audio Output
| hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=3
| HDA NVidia, HDMI 0
| HDMI Audio Output
| lee@yun:~$
`----


The default card is a Terratec Aureon, that's where the CMI.* stuff
comes from.


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lee 09-04-2012 11:33 PM

no input from microphone ( Do I still need alsa if I have pulseaudio)
 
Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> writes:

> On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:43:21 +0200
> lee <lee@yun.yagibdah.de> wrote:
>
> Hello lee,
>
>>problem is not the mic. It used to work before I did something with
>>audacious which gave me a warning that it might not be a good idea --- I
>>don't remember what that was. Since then, the mic input of the card is
>>dead and I don't use audacious anymore. Any ideas how to fix this?
>
> If audacious said it wasn't a good idea, could it be because it was
> possible it would kill the mic i/p of the card?

That's why I don't run audacious anymore. I don't like software that may
take out the hardware just like that. When you could still damage
monitors with the frequencies set too high, you at least knew what might
happen, and they didn't break immediately :)

> It might be possible to find someone that can fault find the card and
> repair it, but it's probably cheaper to simply replace the card.

It's the on-board card, so I would have to replace the whole
mainboard. These on-board "cards" suck anyway ...


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