Dom <toyer@rpdom.net> writes:

> On 01/09/12 14:35, lee wrote:
>> Joe<joe@jretrading.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 09:38:42 +0200
>>> lee<lee@yun.yagibdah.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Camaleón<noelamac@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:56:29 -0500, Charles Kroeger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:20:02 +0200
>>>>>> Camaleón<noelamac@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> (...)
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/alsa-base/alsa-base_1.0.25+2+nmu1/changelog
>>>>>>> * Drop linux-sound-base: OSS was removed from the kernel
>>>>>>> pre-squeeze.
>>>>>>> (closes: #662038). Remove all module list generation
>>>>>>> machinery, it's now obsolete.
>>>>>>> * Removing linux-sound-base also closes: #376241, #558408 the
>>>>>>> hard way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Review the referenced bug reports and if there's nothing that
>>>>>>> solves the problem you're facing you can report it.
>>>>
>>>> According to aptitude, alsa-base depends on linux-sound-base and
>>>> conflicts with linux-sound-base. So you either have to remove both of
>>>> them or keep their current versions.
>>>>
>>>> So am I supposed to report this problem against alsa-base as a problem
>>>> of broken dependencies? Or should I remove both packages and
>>>> (forcefully) re-install alsa-base in case I don't have sound anymore
>>>> afterwards?
>>>>
>>>> How did you circumvent the problem?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> There wasn't a problem, or at least not when it happened in sid.
>>
>> Hm ok, I'm running testing, so things might be much different.
>
> I'm running testing/wheezy too. This is what I get:
>
> dom@oz:~$ aptitude show alsa-base
> Package: alsa-base
> State: installed
> Automatically installed: no
> Version: 1.0.25+2+nmu2
> Priority: optional
> Section: sound
> Maintainer: Debian ALSA Maintainers <pkg-alsa-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
> Architecture: all
> Uncompressed Size: 133 k
> Depends: kmod, procps, udev
> Recommends: alsa-utils
> Suggests: alsa-oss, oss-compat
> Breaks: linux-sound-base
> Provides: alsa
> Description: ALSA driver configuration files
>
> There's no dependency on linux-sound-base there.

,----
| lee@yun:~$ aptitude show alsa-base
| Paket: alsa-base
| Zustand: Installiert
| Automatisch installiert: nein
| Version: 1.0.23+dfsg-4
| Priorität: optional
| Bereich: sound
| Verwalter: Debian ALSA Maintainers <pkg-alsa-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
| Architektur: all
| Unkomprimierte Größe: 516 k
| Hängt ab von: module-init-tools (>= 3.2.1), linux-sound-base, udev
| Empfiehlt: alsa-utils
| Schlägt vor: apmd (>= 3.0.2-1), alsa-oss, oss-compat
| Liefert: alsa
| Beschreibung: ALSA-Treiber-Konfigurationsdateien
`----

So it depends on "module-init-tools (>= 3.2.1), linux-sound-base, udev".

> My sound seems to still be working too.
>
> Have you done an apt-get or aptitude update recently?

Yes, I did that yesterday ... and did it again now with the same
results. The linux-sound-base package recommends alsa-base.

Perhaps all this information refers to the packages that are currently
installed and not to the more recent ones.


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Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 09:38:42 +0200, lee wrote:
>
>> Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>>> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/alsa-base/alsa-base_1.0.25+2+nmu1/changelog
>
> (...)
>
>> According to aptitude, alsa-base depends on linux-sound-base and
>> conflicts with linux-sound-base. So you either have to remove both of
>> them or keep their current versions.
>
> I don't know how you reached that conflict. I'm running wheezy and "dist-
> upgrade" did a good job by deleting "linux-sound-base".
>
> Also, the "linux-sound-base" dependency should not exist:
>
> http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/alsa-base
>
>> So am I supposed to report this problem against alsa-base as a problem
>> of broken dependencies? Or should I remove both packages and
>> (forcefully) re-install alsa-base in case I don't have sound anymore
>> afterwards?
>>
>> How did you circumvent the problem?
>
> Please run "apt-get update && apt-get -V dist-upgrade" and put here the
> output (and don't do the upgrade yet).

See below: that would remove linux-sound-base, upgrade 52 packages and
downgrade 148 packages.

What's with all these downgrades???? Aptitude doesn't want to do these
downgrades and would upgrade 52 packages and remove alsa-base.

Now I could remove linux-sound-base, that would remove alsa-base as well
due to dependencies. Then I guess I could install alsa-base again and
see what happens. What would I do if sound won't work anymore after
that? Perhaps I become unable to re-install alsa-base because it might
still depend on linux-sound-base?


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| root@yun:~# apt-get -V dist-upgrade
| Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
| Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut.
| Statusinformationen werden eingelesen.... Fertig
| Paketaktualisierung (Upgrade) wird berechnet... Fertig
| Die folgenden Pakete werden ENTFERNT:
| libpam-cap (2.22-1.2)
| linux-sound-base (1.0.23+dfsg-4)
| Die folgenden Pakete werden aktualisiert (Upgrade):
| alsa-base (1.0.23+dfsg-4 => 1.0.25+2+nmu2)
| console-setup (1.81 => 1.82)
| console-setup-linux (1.81 => 1.82)
| ddd (3.3.12-3 => 3.3.12-4)
| debconf (1.5.45 => 1.5.46)
| debconf-i18n (1.5.45 => 1.5.46)
| desktop-base (7.0.2 => 7.0.3)
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On 9/2/2012 12:44 AM, lee wrote:

Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com> writes:


On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 09:38:42 +0200, lee wrote:


Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com> writes:



http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/alsa-base/alsa-base_1.0.25+2+nmu1/changelog


(...)


According to aptitude, alsa-base depends on linux-sound-base and
conflicts with linux-sound-base. So you either have to remove both of
them or keep their current versions.


I don't know how you reached that conflict. I'm running wheezy and "dist-
upgrade" did a good job by deleting "linux-sound-base".

Also, the "linux-sound-base" dependency should not exist:

http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/alsa-base


So am I supposed to report this problem against alsa-base as a problem
of broken dependencies? Or should I remove both packages and
(forcefully) re-install alsa-base in case I don't have sound anymore
afterwards?

How did you circumvent the problem?


Please run "apt-get update && apt-get -V dist-upgrade" and put here the
output (and don't do the upgrade yet).


See below: that would remove linux-sound-base, upgrade 52 packages and
downgrade 148 packages.

What's with all these downgrades???? Aptitude doesn't want to do these
downgrades and would upgrade 52 packages and remove alsa-base.

Now I could remove linux-sound-base, that would remove alsa-base as well
due to dependencies. Then I guess I could install alsa-base again and
see what happens. What would I do if sound won't work anymore after
that? Perhaps I become unable to re-install alsa-base because it might
still depend on linux-sound-base?




I took the plunge and let it happen, and I still have sound. YMMV.

Mark




,----
| root@yun:~# apt-get -V dist-upgrade
| Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
| Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut.
| Statusinformationen werden eingelesen.... Fertig
| Paketaktualisierung (Upgrade) wird berechnet... Fertig
| Die folgenden Pakete werden ENTFERNT:
| libpam-cap (2.22-1.2)
| linux-sound-base (1.0.23+dfsg-4)
| Die folgenden Pakete werden aktualisiert (Upgrade):
| alsa-base (1.0.23+dfsg-4 => 1.0.25+2+nmu2)
| console-setup (1.81 => 1.82)
| console-setup-linux (1.81 => 1.82)
| ddd (3.3.12-3 => 3.3.12-4)
| debconf (1.5.45 => 1.5.46)
| debconf-i18n (1.5.45 => 1.5.46)
| desktop-base (7.0.2 => 7.0.3)
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On Du, 02 sep 12, 07:28:23, lee wrote:
>
> ,----
> | lee@yun:~$ aptitude show alsa-base
> | Paket: alsa-base
> | Zustand: Installiert
> | Automatisch installiert: nein
> | Version: 1.0.23+dfsg-4

At least the .at. mirror has 1.0.25+2+nmu2 for wheezy.

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Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> writes:

> On Du, 02 sep 12, 07:28:23, lee wrote:
>>
>> ,----
>> | lee@yun:~$ aptitude show alsa-base
>> | Paket: alsa-base
>> | Zustand: Installiert
>> | Automatisch installiert: nein
>> | Version: 1.0.23+dfsg-4
>
> At least the .at. mirror has 1.0.25+2+nmu2 for wheezy.

That version is available and not installed because of the dependency
problem ...


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Mark Allums <mark@allums.com> writes:

> On 9/2/2012 12:44 AM, lee wrote:
>> Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 09:38:42 +0200, lee wrote:
>>>
>>>> Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>>>> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/alsa-base/alsa-base_1.0.25+2+nmu1/changelog
>>>
>>> (...)
>>>
>>>> According to aptitude, alsa-base depends on linux-sound-base and
>>>> conflicts with linux-sound-base. So you either have to remove both of
>>>> them or keep their current versions.
>>>
>>> I don't know how you reached that conflict. I'm running wheezy and "dist-
>>> upgrade" did a good job by deleting "linux-sound-base".
>>>
>>> Also, the "linux-sound-base" dependency should not exist:
>>>
>>> http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/alsa-base
>>>
>>>> So am I supposed to report this problem against alsa-base as a problem
>>>> of broken dependencies? Or should I remove both packages and
>>>> (forcefully) re-install alsa-base in case I don't have sound anymore
>>>> afterwards?
>>>>
>>>> How did you circumvent the problem?
>>>
>>> Please run "apt-get update && apt-get -V dist-upgrade" and put here the
>>> output (and don't do the upgrade yet).
>>
>> See below: that would remove linux-sound-base, upgrade 52 packages and
>> downgrade 148 packages.
>>
>> What's with all these downgrades???? Aptitude doesn't want to do these
>> downgrades and would upgrade 52 packages and remove alsa-base.
>>
>> Now I could remove linux-sound-base, that would remove alsa-base as well
>> due to dependencies. Then I guess I could install alsa-base again and
>> see what happens. What would I do if sound won't work anymore after
>> that? Perhaps I become unable to re-install alsa-base because it might
>> still depend on linux-sound-base?
>>
>
>
> I took the plunge and let it happen, and I still have sound. YMMV.

At least it's a possibility --- let's see if someone has any ideas,
especially as to what is up with all the downgrades ...


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On Du, 02 sep 12, 07:44:07, lee wrote:
>
> See below: that would remove linux-sound-base, upgrade 52 packages and
> downgrade 148 packages.

I picked a few of the to-be-downgraded packages and all of them were
from sid. Do you want to run sid or wheezy? There is at least one
(vsftpd) which I don't think will migrate to wheezy due to the freeze,
so you'll have to choose.

Please post also the output of 'LANG=C apt-cache policy' so we can see
how your system is configured. The 'LANG=C' part is to get English
output as I assume most readers here don't understand German

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Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> writes:

> On Du, 02 sep 12, 07:44:07, lee wrote:
>>
>> See below: that would remove linux-sound-base, upgrade 52 packages and
>> downgrade 148 packages.
>
> I picked a few of the to-be-downgraded packages and all of them were
> from sid. Do you want to run sid or wheezy?

Sid is stable? I want to run testing and not stable, and shouldn't the
packages in testing not be newer than the ones in Sid? And if the
packages in testing should be more recent than the ones in stable, then
why downgrade them to older versions?

Some packages currently installed may be from unstable or experimental
because I needed more recent versions of them --- IIRC, the mumble ones
are. I would want to keep those until testing catches up.

> There is at least one
> (vsftpd) which I don't think will migrate to wheezy due to the freeze,
> so you'll have to choose.

That one I could remove because it isn't used atm.

> Please post also the output of 'LANG=C apt-cache policy' so we can see
> how your system is configured.

,----
| lee@yun:~$ LANG=C apt-cache policy
| Package files:
| 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
| release a=now
| 10000 http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates/non-free i386 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=testing,n=wheezy,l=Debian-Security,c=non-free
| origin security.debian.org
| 10000 http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates/contrib i386 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=testing,n=wheezy,l=Debian-Security,c=contrib
| origin security.debian.org
| 10000 http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates/main i386 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=testing,n=wheezy,l=Debian-Security,c=main
| origin security.debian.org
| 10000 http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates/non-free amd64 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=testing,n=wheezy,l=Debian-Security,c=non-free
| origin security.debian.org
| 10000 http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates/contrib amd64 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=testing,n=wheezy,l=Debian-Security,c=contrib
| origin security.debian.org
| 10000 http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates/main amd64 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=testing,n=wheezy,l=Debian-Security,c=main
| origin security.debian.org
| 500 ftp://ftp.deb-multimedia.org/ unstable/main i386 Packages
| release v=None,o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,a=unstable,n=sid,l=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,c=main
| origin ftp.deb-multimedia.org
| 500 ftp://ftp.deb-multimedia.org/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
| release v=None,o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,a=unstable,n=sid,l=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,c=main
| origin ftp.deb-multimedia.org
| 1 ftp://ftp.deb-multimedia.org/ experimental/main i386 Packages
| release v=None,o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,a=experimental,n=experimental,l=Unofficia l Multimedia Packages,c=main
| origin ftp.deb-multimedia.org
| 1 ftp://ftp.deb-multimedia.org/ experimental/main amd64 Packages
| release v=None,o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,a=experimental,n=experimental,l=Unofficia l Multimedia Packages,c=main
| origin ftp.deb-multimedia.org
| 10000 ftp://ftp.deb-multimedia.org/ testing/main i386 Packages
| release v=None,o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,a=testing,n=wheezy,l=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,c=main
| origin ftp.deb-multimedia.org
| 10000 ftp://ftp.deb-multimedia.org/ testing/main amd64 Packages
| release v=None,o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,a=testing,n=wheezy,l=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,c=main
| origin ftp.deb-multimedia.org
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable/main Translation-de
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable/non-free i386 Packages
| release v=6.0.5,o=Debian,a=stable,n=squeeze,l=Debian,c=non-free
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable/contrib i386 Packages
| release v=6.0.5,o=Debian,a=stable,n=squeeze,l=Debian,c=con trib
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable/main i386 Packages
| release v=6.0.5,o=Debian,a=stable,n=squeeze,l=Debian,c=mai n
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable/non-free amd64 Packages
| release v=6.0.5,o=Debian,a=stable,n=squeeze,l=Debian,c=non-free
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable/contrib amd64 Packages
| release v=6.0.5,o=Debian,a=stable,n=squeeze,l=Debian,c=con trib
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable/main amd64 Packages
| release v=6.0.5,o=Debian,a=stable,n=squeeze,l=Debian,c=mai n
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental/non-free Translation-en
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental/main Translation-en
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental/contrib Translation-en
| 1 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental/non-free i386 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=experimental,n=experimental,l=Debian,c= non-free
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 1 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental/contrib i386 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=experimental,n=experimental,l=Debian,c= contrib
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 1 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental/main i386 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=experimental,n=experimental,l=Debian,c= main
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 1 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental/non-free amd64 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=experimental,n=experimental,l=Debian,c= non-free
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 1 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental/contrib amd64 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=experimental,n=experimental,l=Debian,c= contrib
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 1 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental/main amd64 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=experimental,n=experimental,l=Debian,c= main
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable/non-free Translation-en
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main Translation-en
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main Translation-de_DE
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main Translation-de
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable/contrib Translation-en
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable/non-free i386 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=unstable,n=sid,l=Debian,c=non-free
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable/contrib i386 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=unstable,n=sid,l=Debian,c=contrib
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main i386 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=unstable,n=sid,l=Debian,c=main
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable/non-free amd64 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=unstable,n=sid,l=Debian,c=non-free
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable/contrib amd64 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=unstable,n=sid,l=Debian,c=contrib
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=unstable,n=sid,l=Debian,c=main
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing/non-free Translation-en
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing/main Translation-en
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing/main Translation-de_DE
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing/main Translation-de
| 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing/contrib Translation-en
| 10000 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing/non-free i386 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=testing,n=wheezy,l=Debian,c=non-free
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 10000 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing/contrib i386 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=testing,n=wheezy,l=Debian,c=contrib
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 10000 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing/main i386 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=testing,n=wheezy,l=Debian,c=main
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 10000 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing/non-free amd64 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=testing,n=wheezy,l=Debian,c=non-free
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 10000 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing/contrib amd64 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=testing,n=wheezy,l=Debian,c=contrib
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| 10000 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing/main amd64 Packages
| release o=Debian,a=testing,n=wheezy,l=Debian,c=main
| origin ftp.de.debian.org
| Pinned packages:
| lee@yun:~$
`----

While (unsuccessfully) trying to use more recent NVIDIA drivers because
with the ones from testing the X-session randomly froze, I added the
i386 architecture because that was recommended. I'm not so sure if that
was a good idea ... Fortunately, the freezing problem seems to have been
fixed


BTW, what is the Debian way of specifying different locales for
different users?


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On 09/02/2012 06:24 AM, lee wrote:


Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> writes:


On Du, 02 sep 12, 07:44:07, lee wrote:


See below: that would remove linux-sound-base, upgrade 52 packages and
downgrade 148 packages.


I picked a few of the to-be-downgraded packages and all of them were from
sid. Do you want to run sid or wheezy?


Sid is stable?


No. sid is the permanent name of *un*stable. Current stable is named squeeze.


I want to run testing and not stable, and shouldn't the packages in testing
not be newer than the ones in Sid? And if the packages in testing should be
more recent than the ones in stable, then why downgrade them to older
versions?


According to my understanding, packages go into sid first, and then get migrated
from there over to testing after a suitable time.

Thus, the newest packages are always in sid. (Or, in some cases, possibly in
experimental; I've never quite gotten the exact function of experimental figured
out.)

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On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 12:24:42 +0200, lee wrote:

> Sid is stable?

Dude... what a question for a user running testing :-)

Sid is the codename for unstable.

> I want to run testing and not stable, and shouldn't the
> packages in testing not be newer than the ones in Sid?

Sid has the most updated verions of the packages.

> And if the packages in testing should be more recent than the ones in
> stable, then why downgrade them to older versions?

I think you need more reading on Debian available versions :-P

> Some packages currently installed may be from unstable or experimental
> because I needed more recent versions of them --- IIRC, the mumble ones
> are. I would want to keep those until testing catches up.

Then this can be the culprit for all your mess unless you had configure
apt repositories priorities properly.

> ,----
> | lee@yun:~$ LANG=C apt-cache policy

(...)

What the hell is all that bunch of repositories? :-O

You need an urgent reorganization for your repos and also reducing the
number of them as you have too many defined.

> While (unsuccessfully) trying to use more recent NVIDIA drivers because
> with the ones from testing the X-session randomly froze, I added the
> i386 architecture because that was recommended. I'm not so sure if that
> was a good idea ... Fortunately, the freezing problem seems to have been
> fixed

At a high cost, I'd say...

> BTW, what is the Debian way of specifying different locales for
> different users?

That will depend on the DE you're on (or if you're on none). There's more
info on locales here:

http://wiki.debian.org/Locale

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