On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 01:20:26 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
(...)
It seems strange (to me), that notification of an update release is
broadcast, and then all repositories of that version, are disappeared at
the same time as that release.
No repo has dissapeared but moved.
Do the ISO images for Debian 5.0.10, still exist in any official Debian
repository?
Old ISO images can be obtained from:
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.10/
For the repos, you can use the above mentioned sources.
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Unfortunately, that source does not work, either as a mirror, or as a
source for ISO images.
I tried repeatedly, to download DVD1, and Debain 6 can't handle
downloading the 4.4GB - whatever I tried to use to download the ISO
image, crashed, and required the computer to be physcally turned off
(holding down the power switch until it stopped breathing, then booting
up again after a minute or so) - it would get to about 1.2GB, then the
system noitorf applet in the panel would disappear, and the display
within the window would go blank, and, when booted upa agian, would show
less than 100MB stored.
I had tried to download DVD1, to instal from that, as I had, some time
ago (some years ago, I think) got the impression,k that it is likely
that most, if not all, of the packages needed for a fairly comprehensive
installation, are on DVD1 of an ISO image set, and so that should have
been sufficient to be a self-sufficient installation.
After a few attempts (and, having apparently downloaded about 10-20GB
that disappeared), I gave up on that, and downloaded CD1, but, whilst it
was a good enoiugh copy, to start installation, the data on the disk was
bad, so, when it started to read the stuff on the CD, to install
packaged (it got to, and, stopped at something with a name like
cd-retrieve), it just showed that the data was bad, and would progress
no further.
I ended up going back to the 2009 CD1, and using the repository
mentioned elsewhere, which, as I showed in another email sent a short
time ago, worked.
So, the repository in the message above, was too problematic for me, but
I otherwise effected a successful installation, thanks to Camaleon's
help.
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you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
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published by Pan Books, 1992
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07-25-2012, 02:26 AM
Joel Rees
Debian 5 - was Query abouut root account
On 7/23/12, Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> wrote:
> [...]
>
> One of the reasons that I wanted to be able to log in as root, is to
> perform an update on that system.
>
> The system is running Firestarter on Debian 5.
>
> However, another problem has arisen, that indicates that that system
> apparently cannot be updated, and has to stay as it is, without having
> been updated for about a year or so, which is unfortunate for a
> firewall computer.
I've had fun with openBSD, and their firewall is pretty good. Have you
looked at that?
(Sorry if that's not an appropriate suggestion.)
> I have a Samsung MFP printer thing; a CLX-3185FW, and I had been able to
> use it with a Debian 5 system that I had been using. Then, the Debian 5
> system went awry (a separate system from the firewall system), and
> became apparently unusable.
>
> So, I installed Debian 6 on another computer (this computer), and have
> been using that on this system, for the past few or several months.
>
> But I was unable to install the drivers for the printer, on the Debian 6
> workstation.
>
> I have now been advised by Samsung, that the CLX-3185FW works with
> Debian 3.x through 5.x, but does not work with Debian.
In many cases with CUPS, you can find a printer that is similar and
use the drivers/printer descriptors for that one instead. That's what
I'm doing with an EPSON all-in-one that I bought nearly ten years ago.
(Again, apologies if that's something you've already looked at.)
> [...]
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07-25-2012, 05:24 AM
Bret Busby
Debian 5 - was Query abouut root account
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Joel Rees wrote:
On 7/23/12, Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> wrote:
[...]
One of the reasons that I wanted to be able to log in as root, is to
perform an update on that system.
The system is running Firestarter on Debian 5.
However, another problem has arisen, that indicates that that system
apparently cannot be updated, and has to stay as it is, without having
been updated for about a year or so, which is unfortunate for a
firewall computer.
I've had fun with openBSD, and their firewall is pretty good. Have you
looked at that?
(Sorry if that's not an appropriate suggestion.)
Actually...
From research that I had previously done, the simplest option (for me,
being a fairly simple kind of person) appeared to be PC-BSD
(http://www.pcbsd.org/). PC-BSD 8.x had only a KDE GUI (from memory),
and I am, a GNOME GUI user (from memory, one of the aspects of KDE, is
that it is supposed to be much more resource-demanding, but I could be
wrong). So, I waited until PC-BSD 9 was released, which came with a
GNOME GUI (not sure, now, but I think a user could choose which GUI, in
the installation procedure, in PC-BSD 9). So, after a bit of messing
around, I installed PC-BSD 9 on the HP/Compa NX-5000. But, it does not
seem to include a "multi-boot loader" (? - not sure whether that is the
correct name for the utility), such as GRUB, and, when I rebooted, the
installation, while it still exists, could not be found by the installed
GRUB (installed with Debian 6). I had queried this problem, on both
this mailing list, and, the PC-BSD equivalent mailing list, but got
nowhere, so gave up on it. So, now, on that little laptop, I have (as
previously mentioned in this thread) Debian 5 and Debian 6, and, an
invisible (as GRUB can't see it) installation of PC-BSD 9. PC-BSD 9,
whilst having been designed to be a workstation implementation of BSD,
has now, I believe, released in a version able to be installed as a
server. But, as I can not resolve the GRUB issue, I am not confident in
attempting further installation of BSD. And, from what I had read, and
the research that I had done, PC-BSD was supposed to be the simplest
version of BSD, to install and operate. So, BSD is all too difficult for
me. Just out of interest, the first UNIX or UNIX equivalent, that I have
used, was BSD 4.2, running on a VAX 11-785, in about 1979 or
thereabouts, I believe; before GUI's.
I have a Samsung MFP printer thing; a CLX-3185FW, and I had been able to
use it with a Debian 5 system that I had been using. Then, the Debian 5
system went awry (a separate system from the firewall system), and
became apparently unusable.
So, I installed Debian 6 on another computer (this computer), and have
been using that on this system, for the past few or several months.
But I was unable to install the drivers for the printer, on the Debian 6
workstation.
I have now been advised by Samsung, that the CLX-3185FW works with
Debian 3.x through 5.x, but does not work with Debian.
In many cases with CUPS, you can find a printer that is similar and
use the drivers/printer descriptors for that one instead. That's what
I'm doing with an EPSON all-in-one that I bought nearly ten years ago.
(Again, apologies if that's something you've already looked at.)
From memory, a similar printer driver does not exist in
CUPS.
[...]
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Armadale
West Australia
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"So once you do know what the question actually is,
you'll know what the answer means."
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Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
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A Trilogy In Four Parts",
written by Douglas Adams,
published by Pan Books, 1992
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On Ma, 24 iul 12, 01:34:16, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> My previous experience with splix, is not good.
>
> >From memory, I tried splix with the first CLX-3185FW (it died a
> >few
> months ago, just before the Debian 5 workstation died, from memory -
> we have an unsafe electricity supply in this state), as Debian 5 did
> not have the drivers, but splix did not work, and I had a problem
> with the splix contact,
As far as I understand you tried splix on Debian 5 (lenny), but the
version in Debian 6 is much newer as I recall (sorry, can't check since
packages.debian.org doesn't list lenny anymore and archive.debian.net
doesn't include it yet -- maintainer contacted).
Hope this helps,
Andrei
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07-25-2012, 11:18 AM
Andrei POPESCU
Debian 5 - was Query abouut root account
On Ma, 24 iul 12, 01:20:26, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> It seems strange (to me), that notification of an update release is
> broadcast, and then all repositories of that version, are
> disappeared at the same time as that release.
Quoting from the announcement:
,----
| Please note that the oldstable distribution will be moved from the
| main archive to the archive.debian.org repository after March 24th 2012.
| After this move, it will no longer be available from the main mirror
| network. More information about the distribution archive and a list of
| mirrors is available at:
|
| <http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive>
`----
Hope this explains,
Andrei
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07-25-2012, 01:38 PM
Camaleón
Debian 5 - was Query abouut root account
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 02:27:25 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2012, Camaleón wrote:
(...)
>>> Debian archive mirror hostname:
>>> (http://http.debian.net/debian-archive)
>>
>> You can try here with just the hostname, that is: "http.debian.net"
>>
>>> Please enter the directory in which the mirror of the Debian archive
>>> is located.
>>> (/debian)
>>> "
>>
>> (...)
>>
>> An here with: "/debian-archive/debian"
>>
>> THT.
>>
> I do not know what the acronym "THT" means, but the method above, solved
> the problem, and Debian 5 is now installed on the laptop.
Ah, perfect.
> I have just realised that the "THT" may be meant to be "HTH" (-Hope That
> Helps (?) ). If that is the case, then I apologise for drawing attention
> to it, and, as shown, it did help.
Yes, I meant to write HTH ("hope this helps") indeed, but my fingers
decided to swap the letters by their own initiative. I will correct this
attitude ASAP...
(bad fat fingers, bad!)
Done! :-P
> Thank you very much.
You're welcome.
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07-25-2012, 02:05 PM
Camaleón
Debian 5 - was Query abouut root account
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 02:42:44 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Camaleón wrote:
>
>
>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 01:20:26 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
>>
>> (...)
>>
>>> It seems strange (to me), that notification of an update release is
>>> broadcast, and then all repositories of that version, are disappeared
>>> at the same time as that release.
>>
>> No repo has dissapeared but moved.
>>
>>> Do the ISO images for Debian 5.0.10, still exist in any official
>>> Debian repository?
>>
>> Old ISO images can be obtained from:
>>
>> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.10/
>>
>> For the repos, you can use the above mentioned sources.
>>
>>
> Unfortunately, that source does not work, either as a mirror, or as a
> source for ISO images.
Whatever problem you can be experiencing for getting the files it has no
relation with the fact that's the correct repository but if you're
still insterested in solving any difficulty with downloading, you can
open a new thread (to avoid mixing up things) and detail in there what
are you doing exactly and what kind of errors are you getting :-)
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07-25-2012, 04:55 PM
Bret Busby
Debian 5 - was Query abouut root account
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:18:34
From: Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query abouut root account
On Ma, 24 iul 12, 01:20:26, Bret Busby wrote:
It seems strange (to me), that notification of an update release is
broadcast, and then all repositories of that version, are
disappeared at the same time as that release.
Quoting from the announcement:
,----
| Please note that the oldstable distribution will be moved from the
| main archive to the archive.debian.org repository after March 24th 2012.
| After this move, it will no longer be available from the main mirror
| network. More information about the distribution archive and a list of
| mirrors is available at:
|
| <http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive>
`----
Hope this explains,
Andrei
--
Ah, yes; in searching through past messages, I found that text in the
announcement of the release of Debian 5.0.10. I am not sure, but, at
that time (the message was posted on 11 March, I believe), I think I was
running Debian 6, and so did not read that message, other than the
subject line as listed in the alpine folder listing, and, as the
announcement of the transfer to the Debian archive repository, was not
in (or, not found in) either a Debian News message, or, a standalone
message, I had missed it.
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Armadale
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On 7/25/12, Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Joel Rees wrote:
>
>>
>> On 7/23/12, Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> One of the reasons that I wanted to be able to log in as root, is to
>>> perform an update on that system.
>>>
>>> The system is running Firestarter on Debian 5.
>>>
>>> However, another problem has arisen, that indicates that that system
>>> apparently cannot be updated, and has to stay as it is, without having
>>> been updated for about a year or so, which is unfortunate for a
>>> firewall computer.
>>
>> I've had fun with openBSD, and their firewall is pretty good. Have you
>> looked at that?
>>
>> (Sorry if that's not an appropriate suggestion.)
>>
>
> Actually...
>
> From research that I had previously done, the simplest option (for me,
> being a fairly simple kind of person) appeared to be PC-BSD
> (http://www.pcbsd.org/). PC-BSD 8.x had only a KDE GUI (from memory),
> and I am, a GNOME GUI user (from memory, one of the aspects of KDE, is
> that it is supposed to be much more resource-demanding, but I could be
> wrong).
I have generally had the opposite impression, using both. Especially
now, since gnome's newest stuff won't even give my hardware a friendly
smile these days.
Personally, I'm using XFCE for my regular desktop.
> So, I waited until PC-BSD 9 was released, which came with a
> GNOME GUI (not sure, now, but I think a user could choose which GUI, in
> the installation procedure, in PC-BSD 9). So, after a bit of messing
> around, I installed PC-BSD 9 on the HP/Compa NX-5000.
You might want to look at XFCE. It's much less resource-intensive. I'm
sure it's available on pc-bsd. Also an option in debian, but it does
take a bit more setup than either Gnome or KDE.
> But, it does not
> seem to include a "multi-boot loader" (? - not sure whether that is the
> correct name for the utility), such as GRUB, and, when I rebooted, the
> installation, while it still exists, could not be found by the installed
> GRUB (installed with Debian 6).
Heh. Not a good time to be having problems with multi-boot. Leviathan
is against it, want you to use VMs buried in their OS. Playing games
with the BIOS, as if the BIOS weren't enough of a mess already.
> I had queried this problem, on both
> this mailing list, and, the PC-BSD equivalent mailing list, but got
> nowhere, so gave up on it.
openbsd's installation notes mention the old standby of just changing
the partition flagged for boot:
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#Multibooting
-- the sub-paragraph, "Setting active partitions". Have you tried that?
> So, now, on that little laptop, I have (as
> previously mentioned in this thread) Debian 5 and Debian 6, and, an
> invisible (as GRUB can't see it) installation of PC-BSD 9. PC-BSD 9,
> whilst having been designed to be a workstation implementation of BSD,
> has now, I believe, released in a version able to be installed as a
> server. But, as I can not resolve the GRUB issue, I am not confident in
> attempting further installation of BSD. And, from what I had read, and
> the research that I had done, PC-BSD was supposed to be the simplest
> version of BSD, to install and operate.
Depending on your definition of simple. If you can handle burning a
bootable install CD and walking through text-mode menus when the
install CD boots up, openbsd is actually quite easy to get installed
and booted to the command line. You do have to be willing to use
command line tools to at least install the GUI stuff and tweak the
configuration a bit, but I generally find myself mucking with the GUI
tools in Debian or Fedora about as much as I'd be mucking with the
command line tools in openbsd. (I do use the man -k option a lot, or
the alias, "apropos", which works on a lot of systems.)
Can't get pc-bsd's wiki up in my browser right now, but, last time I
looked, it didn't seem that much easier than openbsd. Never actually
tried pc-bsd, so I can't really say.
> So, BSD is all too difficult for
> me. Just out of interest, the first UNIX or UNIX equivalent, that I have
> used, was BSD 4.2, running on a VAX 11-785, in about 1979 or
> thereabouts, I believe; before GUI's.
Yeah, your memories of those days may get in the way, even with the modern BSDs.
>>> I have a Samsung MFP printer thing; a CLX-3185FW, and I had been able to
>>> use it with a Debian 5 system that I had been using. Then, the Debian 5
>>> system went awry (a separate system from the firewall system), and
>>> became apparently unusable.
>>>
>>> So, I installed Debian 6 on another computer (this computer), and have
>>> been using that on this system, for the past few or several months.
>>>
>>> But I was unable to install the drivers for the printer, on the Debian 6
>>> workstation.
>>>
>>> I have now been advised by Samsung, that the CLX-3185FW works with
>>> Debian 3.x through 5.x, but does not work with Debian.
>>
>> In many cases with CUPS, you can find a printer that is similar and
>> use the drivers/printer descriptors for that one instead. That's what
>> I'm doing with an EPSON all-in-one that I bought nearly ten years ago.
>>
>> (Again, apologies if that's something you've already looked at.)
>>
>
> From memory, a similar printer driver does not exist in
> CUPS.
Looking at Samsung's pages, they say the scanner is compatible with
twain, so you should be able to take a scan from it okay.
It says it used a universal printer driver for the MSWindows
environment, so if you check other printers that worked (in MSWindows)
with that driver and load the CUPS drivers/printer description for one
of those other printers, it might work reasonably well. (Or it might
pass blank sheets through or something for combinations that don't
work.) There's a bit of hit-and-miss, but it only took me three tries
with my Epson.
You may also be able to get a match on the CUPS drivers by finding out
what Samsung called the printer engine (hardware).
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07-31-2012, 03:28 AM
Richard Hector
Debian 5 - was Query abouut root account
On 31/07/12 13:35, Joel Rees wrote:
Looking at Samsung's pages, they say the scanner is compatible with
twain, so you should be able to take a scan from it okay.
Um, my understanding of TWAIN may be rusty and incomplete, but my
understanding is that it's an interface between their (Windows) scanning
application to any other apps that might want to scan. I don't see any
relevance to using the scanner in Linux?
Richard
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