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Old 07-11-2012, 12:34 PM
aditya menon
 
Default Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)

Hi Ralf,
Sorry about the formatting, I'll keep it plain from now on =)
Thank you for your detailed reply. The main reason I want Graphics card support on Linux is that I want a high resolution to work with. The integrated card offers atrocious support for resolution (only 800x600).


So the summary would be that "there are open source drivers available, they do work, but I may be violating licences" - am I right?*


On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net> wrote:


On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 17:30 +0530, aditya menon wrote:

> *All-in-one from Lenovo with ATI



I bought a mobo with an integrated ATI that as separated card has got

proprietary driver support, but the integrated thingy only worked with

the FLOSS driver, without 3D acceleration. The manual does call it

"Integrated ATI Radeon X 1250-based graphics", the keyword seems to be

"based". I bought a NVidia card for the mobo.



I suspect that for many needs Intel graphics will work best with Linux,

but I don't know people playing games, perhaps Intel graphics don't fit

to gamer's needs.



For NVidia cards I only heard about issues with the new proprietary

drivers, but older drivers work like a charm. Since I'm a kernel-rt

user, there's a serous license issue. Nouveau (FLOSS) is a PITA for many

needs and many tasks and nv (FLOSS) is dropped, just a few distros still

ship with the nv driver. The proprietary driver is hard to use with a

kernel-rt and if it should work, than you'll offend the licenses.



I dunno if there are licenses issues for ATI too, there shouldn't be

such issues for Intel drivers.



Cheers,

Ralf



PS: I like the color of your email, but it's uncommon to forma mails to

mailing lists by HTML, please use plain text only.







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Old 07-11-2012, 12:51 PM
Ralf Mardorf
 
Default Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)

On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 18:04 +0530, aditya menon wrote:

> So the summary would be that "there are open source drivers available,
> they do work, but I may be violating licences" - am I right?

You aren't. Pardon for my broken English. Open source drivers don't
violate any license. A combination of open source licensed software and
proprietary drivers sometimes does offend each others license, but not
always.

There are open source drivers. You should search the web, if the card
you wish to use is supported. The open source drivers don't support or
have a limited support of 3D acceleration, but usually all resolutions
do work. If a card isn't supported, than usually the open source vesa
driver does work without 3D acceleration and only with a limited
resolution, take a look at (extended) vesa standards.

Hth,
Ralf



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Old 07-11-2012, 12:56 PM
Ralf Mardorf
 
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> If a card isn't supported, than usually the open source vesa
> driver does work without 3D acceleration and only with a limited
> resolution, take a look at (extended) vesa standards.
Oops, (extended) VGA standards



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Old 07-11-2012, 01:07 PM
aditya menon
 
Default Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)

Okay, thanks again... I'll research more again if the card is supported (and whether I can get extended VGA standards)



On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net> wrote:


> If a card isn't supported, than usually the open source vesa

> driver does work without 3D acceleration and only with a limited

> resolution, take a look at (extended) vesa standards.

* * * * * * * * * * * Oops, (extended) VGA standards







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Old 07-11-2012, 01:35 PM
Gary Dale
 
Default Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)

On 11/07/12 09:07 AM, aditya menon wrote:
Okay, thanks again... I'll research more again if the card is
supported (and whether I can get extended VGA standards)


AMD/ATI make proprietary drivers for their cards. However for many
cards, the open source drivers work as well or better. The radeonhd
driver is part of X.org.


By coincidence, I've just also purchased a HD 6450 card since the price
was right. Got it at Canada Computers for $19.99 (after mail-in rebate)
yesterday. It's a step up from the integrated HD 3300 on my motherboard.


To learn how to install the proprietary drivers go to
http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary/#Squeeze.


Note that you can also install from AMD/ATI's installer but this is
trickier and may not work with Squeeze. Using the Debian/Squeeze
sources, you can usually get it working without too much effort.





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Old 07-11-2012, 02:14 PM
aditya menon
 
Default Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)

Thank you, everyone, for the very helpful and detailed replies!
I am much more confident of that chip now. Looks like "it's a Buy" ;D



On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com> wrote:


On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:30:05 +0530, aditya menon wrote:



> I'm planning to get a new computer, and the one I really like is an

> All-in-one from Lenovo with *ATI HD 6450 *graphics. Does anyone have

> experience with that? I made a huge mistake last time by getting an

> nVidia Optimus card, it turned out that neither Linux nor many games

> work properly with it (nVidia's fault for not releasing proper drivers).

> *I tried a lot of stuff including bumblebee etc (which doesn't work but

> I botched the uninstall and it still lives on my computer)

>

> I want to mitigate that risk this time... please help? Thanks!



I find the current graphics card market very unpleasant for linux users:



1/ Intel chipsets are usually well supported from the open source driver

but their hardware is (or "can be", depending on the user needings) a bit

lacking.



2/ nVidia has a good deal between their hardware (apart from their

"bambidubi" thingy, of course) and driver but you probably end up using

the closed source one which is very good but non free.



3/ ATI... well, ATI has (or should have by now) a good open source driver

(radeon) and also powerful VGA cards/chipsets but you'd first ensure the

chipset you are planning to buy is supported within the kernel version

you planning to install.



Let's see. ATI HD 6450 pertains to their "northern island (caicos)¹"

series and looking into the Xorg card matrix², it seems this chipset

is supported since kernel 2.6.38 (remember that Squeeze has an older

kernel 2.6.32 but there's still the backported one 3.2.x).



¹http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units#Northe rn_Islands_.28HD_6xxx.29_series



²http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature#Feature_Matrix_for_Free_Radeon_Drive rs



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Old 07-11-2012, 09:35 PM
Andrei POPESCU
 
Default Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)

On Mi, 11 iul 12, 18:04:24, aditya menon wrote:
>
> Thank you for your detailed reply. The main reason I want Graphics card
> support on Linux is that I want a high resolution to work with. The
> integrated card offers atrocious support for resolution (only 800x600).

I seriously doubt that. Would you please attach your Xorg.0.log to
investigate?

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Old 07-11-2012, 10:03 PM
Ralf Mardorf
 
Default Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)

On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 00:35 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Mi, 11 iul 12, 18:04:24, aditya menon wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for your detailed reply. The main reason I want Graphics card
> > support on Linux is that I want a high resolution to work with. The
> > integrated card offers atrocious support for resolution (only 800x600).
>
> I seriously doubt that. Would you please attach your Xorg.0.log to
> investigate?

Oops, yes, at least VGA resolutions should be available.


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Old 07-12-2012, 08:58 AM
Ivo Ugrina
 
Default Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)

I've bought ATI 6750 a few months ago
and I'm not satisfied with FLOSS driver.
I can't suspend anymore. The card simply
won't shut down.



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Old 07-12-2012, 01:04 PM
Gary Dale
 
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On 12/07/12 04:58 AM, Ivo Ugrina wrote:

I've bought ATI 6750 a few months ago
and I'm not satisfied with FLOSS driver.
I can't suspend anymore. The card simply
won't shut down.

Did you file a bug report for it?

I've found the Debian package maintainers to be quite eager to work with
people to resolve issues relating to their packages. They don't have
easy access to all the possible hardware variations so they need bug
reports to alert them to problems.



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