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Old 07-03-2012, 09:37 PM
Ralf Mardorf
 
Default OT: need a simple CMS / website builder

On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 23:16 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 17:05 -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> > My kids want to make their own webpages. I intend to host them on my
> > own server and limit who has access to them. I need some
> > recommendations. Wordpress? Drupal? This will be on a Squeeze system.
> >
> > I have a dyndns account to provide access to my dynamic IP address.
> >
> > The kids are between 6 and 11. I want them to be able to do this mostly
> > on their own, after some training from me.
> >
> > I want them each to have their own site, likely to be themed / colored
> > differently.
> >
> > I would like them to be able to add user accounts for family members
> > who will have read-only access to the sites. I don't want to have to do
> > that myself. I want them to be able to do it, so root access shouldn't
> > be required.
> >
> > They seem most interested in posting pictures and videos of their toys.
> > I'm sure there will be some text content as well (stories and such).
> >
> > This whole craze may die out a month after I set it up, so I don't
> > necessarily want to spend a lot of time on it...
> >
> > So, any advice? Have I left out any important details?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > -Rob
>
> Drupal at least is what most kids use today. Don't worry about sexual
> fantasies. Most kids are all right, they don't tend to shoot homosexual
> black WCUs (http://www.dict.cc/?s=Rollstuhlfahrer ). IOW, trust your
> children!

PS: Regarding to the education, your children won't take a look at the
bunny, the child molesters pretend to show the children. SAY NO GO!!!
Might be broken English, but I guess the content is understandable.
"Your children aren't idiots, as long as you don't teach them to be
idiots."

That's the point
Ralf


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Old 07-03-2012, 09:54 PM
Go Linux
 
Default OT: need a simple CMS / website builder

--- On Tue, 7/3/12, Rob Owens <rowens@ptd.net> wrote:

> From: Rob Owens <rowens@ptd.net>
> Subject: OT: need a simple CMS / website builder
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 4:05 PM
>
>
> I need some recommendations. Wordpress? Drupal?
> This will be on a Squeeze system.
>
> -Rob
>

I use Flatpress which is basically a port of Wordpress but no SQL, just flat files. I usually use the SVN version:

http://flatpress.org/home/

It installs in a minute and is very customizable. Wordpress plugins have been ported and I think that themes can be too (I customized mine from scratch). Drupal is quite complicated and Wordpress is pretty bloated too these days too. If you want to KISS, Wordpress is great! One site I use it on has several hundred entries each year and 14-18,000 uniques a month so I know it can take a beating. Only one possible drawback is that it a single user blog.


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Old 07-03-2012, 10:44 PM
Jude DaShiell
 
Default OT: need a simple CMS / website builder

orgmode works well for me. I write the files with proper org-mode syntax
and then do a simple html export and put the html on the page I want.
orgmode has a support list emacs-orgmode-request@gnu.org if you want to
sign up.

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Old 07-03-2012, 11:50 PM
Rob Owens
 
Default OT: need a simple CMS / website builder

On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 05:05:09PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> My kids want to make their own webpages. I intend to host them on my
> own server and limit who has access to them. I need some
> recommendations. Wordpress? Drupal? This will be on a Squeeze system.
>
> I have a dyndns account to provide access to my dynamic IP address.
>
> The kids are between 6 and 11. I want them to be able to do this mostly
> on their own, after some training from me.
>
I should probably clarify this last statement. The ages of the kids are
between 6 and 11. So they need something fairly simple. They are not
programmers (yet).

-Rob


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Old 07-04-2012, 01:37 AM
Tony Baldwin
 
Default OT: need a simple CMS / website builder

On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 07:50:21PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 05:05:09PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> > My kids want to make their own webpages. I intend to host them on my
> > own server and limit who has access to them. I need some
> > recommendations. Wordpress? Drupal? This will be on a Squeeze system.
> >
> > I have a dyndns account to provide access to my dynamic IP address.
> >
> > The kids are between 6 and 11. I want them to be able to do this mostly
> > on their own, after some training from me.
> >
> I should probably clarify this last statement. The ages of the kids are
> between 6 and 11. So they need something fairly simple. They are not
> programmers (yet).
>
> -Rob

I would just install dokuwiki, a separate install for each site/child.
I would not install with apt(itude)/the debian pkg, but rather use the dokuwiki
install here: http://www.dokuwiki.org/install:downloader
You just drop the file into a dir in your webroot, visit that url, and it pretty well does the rest.
Of course, dokuwiki doesn't have as many themes as wordpress, but
it's quite simple to manage a wiki once installed, and dokuwiki (like the flatpress mentioned)
requires no db. It's all php and text files, essentially.

The kids don't have to learn html or anything, even, just a little markup.
(You might want to install a few plugins, however, so they can embed videos from youtube,
or whatever, if you like).

tony
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Old 07-04-2012, 04:26 AM
Jude DaShiell
 
Default OT: need a simple CMS / website builder

orgmode is plenty simple. There is a way to make a link, there is a way
to make an anchor for where control passes, and there's a way to bold
text. After that, everything else is plain text or content and the
export to html takes care of the rest of the details. I forgot, there's
a way to underline text too. It isn't wysiwyg and if it were, I
wouldn't have made my web page with it either.

On Tue, 3 Jul 2012, Rob Owens wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 05:05:09PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> > My kids want to make their own webpages. I intend to host them on my
> > own server and limit who has access to them. I need some
> > recommendations. Wordpress? Drupal? This will be on a Squeeze system.
> >
> > I have a dyndns account to provide access to my dynamic IP address.
> >
> > The kids are between 6 and 11. I want them to be able to do this mostly
> > on their own, after some training from me.
> >
> I should probably clarify this last statement. The ages of the kids are
> between 6 and 11. So they need something fairly simple. They are not
> programmers (yet).
>
> -Rob
>
>
>

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Old 07-07-2012, 07:19 PM
Rob Owens
 
Default OT: need a simple CMS / website builder

On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 05:05:09PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> My kids want to make their own webpages. I intend to host them on my
> own server and limit who has access to them. I need some
> recommendations. Wordpress? Drupal? This will be on a Squeeze system.
>
Thanks for all the advice so far. I intend to test all the
recommendations. But for now I'm testing wordpress and I've run into an
issue:

Apache's default document root is /var/www

Wordpress wants to put everything in /srv/www

So which location is "correct" for websites?

I know how to change Apache's document root. I'm working on how to
change Wordpress' default root. I suppose I could solve this by
symlinking /srv/www to /var/www, but I'd like to hear some advice before
proceeding.

Thanks everyone.

-Rob


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Old 07-07-2012, 07:24 PM
Rob Owens
 
Default OT: need a simple CMS / website builder

On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 02:54:53PM -0700, Go Linux wrote:
> --- On Tue, 7/3/12, Rob Owens <rowens@ptd.net> wrote:
>
> > From: Rob Owens <rowens@ptd.net>
> > Subject: OT: need a simple CMS / website builder
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 4:05 PM
> >
> >
> > I need some recommendations. Wordpress? Drupal?
> > This will be on a Squeeze system.
> >
> > -Rob
> >
>
> I use Flatpress which is basically a port of Wordpress but no SQL, just flat files. I usually use the SVN version:
>
> http://flatpress.org/home/
>
> It installs in a minute and is very customizable. Wordpress plugins have been ported and I think that themes can be too (I customized mine from scratch). Drupal is quite complicated and Wordpress is pretty bloated too these days too. If you want to KISS, Wordpress is great! One site I use it on has several hundred entries each year and 14-18,000 uniques a month so I know it can take a beating. Only one possible drawback is that it a single user blog.
>
Wordpress has some extensions that will force users to register (and be
approved) before viewing the website. "Private Only" is one that I came
across. I'll have to check and see if Flatpress has something similar
available.

-Rob


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Old 07-07-2012, 07:42 PM
Glenn English
 
Default OT: need a simple CMS / website builder

On Jul 7, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Rob Owens wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 05:05:09PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
>> My kids want to make their own webpages. I intend to host them on my
>> own server and limit who has access to them. I need some
>> recommendations. Wordpress? Drupal? This will be on a Squeeze system.
>>
> Thanks for all the advice so far. I intend to test all the
> recommendations. But for now I'm testing wordpress and I've run into an
> issue:
>
> Apache's default document root is /var/www
>
> Wordpress wants to put everything in /srv/www
>
> So which location is "correct" for websites?
>
> I know how to change Apache's document root. I'm working on how to
> change Wordpress' default root. I suppose I could solve this by
> symlinking /srv/www to /var/www, but I'd like to hear some advice before
> proceeding.

You're using the Debian WP package? I recently went through the same trouble.
Look at the README that came with the .deb. In there are 3 (IIRC) ways to
make the Debian package work with Apache.

Debian puts the code in /usr/share, and the configs in /etc/wordpress. It's
somewhat different from the way WP wants to do it.

The one I used had to do with creating an alias in the main Apache2 config.
Worked like a champ.

Don't pay any attention to what WP says. Not much, anyway.

I wanted to use the .deb so I'd get updates and fixes from the Debian repos.

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Old 07-07-2012, 08:08 PM
Rob Owens
 
Default OT: need a simple CMS / website builder

On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 01:42:35PM -0600, Glenn English wrote:
>
> On Jul 7, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Rob Owens wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 05:05:09PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> >> My kids want to make their own webpages. I intend to host them on my
> >> own server and limit who has access to them. I need some
> >> recommendations. Wordpress? Drupal? This will be on a Squeeze system.
> >>
> > Thanks for all the advice so far. I intend to test all the
> > recommendations. But for now I'm testing wordpress and I've run into an
> > issue:
> >
> > Apache's default document root is /var/www
> >
> > Wordpress wants to put everything in /srv/www
> >
> > So which location is "correct" for websites?
> >
> > I know how to change Apache's document root. I'm working on how to
> > change Wordpress' default root. I suppose I could solve this by
> > symlinking /srv/www to /var/www, but I'd like to hear some advice before
> > proceeding.
>
> You're using the Debian WP package? I recently went through the same trouble.
> Look at the README that came with the .deb. In there are 3 (IIRC) ways to
> make the Debian package work with Apache.
>
Yep, I'm using the Debian package.

> Debian puts the code in /usr/share, and the configs in /etc/wordpress. It's
> somewhat different from the way WP wants to do it.
>
> The one I used had to do with creating an alias in the main Apache2 config.
> Worked like a champ.
>
I see it, but my eyes and brain are too fried now to try it. I will
test it later. Thanks for the advice.

> Don't pay any attention to what WP says. Not much, anyway.
>
> I wanted to use the .deb so I'd get updates and fixes from the Debian repos.
>
Same here

I did get a blog working, but now I'm trying to set up a multisite.
I'll have to read up on that some more.

-Rob


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