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Old 05-05-2012, 11:55 AM
Camaleón
 
Default Panning the screen to get an usable GNOME desktop in netbooks

Hello,

In my intent to make my netbook more usable (because I can barely use
some applications such the recently available Pan), I'm trying to get a
virtual screen (panning) that allows me to configure some applications
that fail to display the usual bottom buttons (Cancel, Apply, Accept...).

So to get the extra space, I run:

xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1024x600 --fb 1024x768 --panning 1024x768

Which returns nothing (meaning a success command) and I can see the
display has been somehow "cutted" at the bottom but I can't move the
mouse cursor beyond the bottom edge so the controlable area is still
1024x600.

I tried to make the window of a smaller height but I only could adjust
its width which was of no help in this case.

I finally had to remotely connect from another system with bigger screen
to configure the Pan settings from there but that's of course a bypass
not a solution at all, n[eo]books are aimed to be standalone devices :-)

I know this is a well-known problem for these kind of small devices but I
would like to find a solution or at least a suitable bypass that does not
require a secondary system.

The computer runs Wheezy with GNOME and gnome-shell and the nebook screen
is 10.1" with a 1024x600 resolution. It uses an Intel chipset (N10) as
VGA.

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Old 05-05-2012, 12:10 PM
Indulekha
 
Default Panning the screen to get an usable GNOME desktop in netbooks

On Sat, May 05, 2012 at 11:55:03AM +0000, CamaleĂłn wrote:
> Hello,
>
> In my intent to make my netbook more usable (because I can barely use
> some applications such the recently available Pan), I'm trying to get a
> virtual screen (panning) that allows me to configure some applications
> that fail to display the usual bottom buttons (Cancel, Apply, Accept...).
>
> So to get the extra space, I run:
>
> xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1024x600 --fb 1024x768 --panning 1024x768
>
> Which returns nothing (meaning a success command) and I can see the
> display has been somehow "cutted" at the bottom but I can't move the
> mouse cursor beyond the bottom edge so the controlable area is still
> 1024x600.
>
> I tried to make the window of a smaller height but I only could adjust
> its width which was of no help in this case.
>
> I finally had to remotely connect from another system with bigger screen
> to configure the Pan settings from there but that's of course a bypass
> not a solution at all, n[eo]books are aimed to be standalone devices :-)
>
> I know this is a well-known problem for these kind of small devices but I
> would like to find a solution or at least a suitable bypass that does not
> require a secondary system.
>
> The computer runs Wheezy with GNOME and gnome-shell and the nebook screen
> is 10.1" with a 1024x600 resolution. It uses an Intel chipset (N10) as
> VGA.
>

Why not change your screen res to match what's available (1024x600)?

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Old 05-05-2012, 12:33 PM
Mika Suomalainen
 
Default Panning the screen to get an usable GNOME desktop in netbooks

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05.05.2012 14:55, Camaleón kirjoitti:
> Hello,
>
> In my intent to make my netbook more usable (because I can barely
> use some applications such the recently available Pan), I'm trying
> to get a virtual screen (panning) that allows me to configure some
> applications that fail to display the usual bottom buttons (Cancel,
> Apply, Accept...).
>
> So to get the extra space, I run:
>
> xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1024x600 --fb 1024x768 --panning
> 1024x768
>
> Which returns nothing (meaning a success command) and I can see the
> display has been somehow "cutted" at the bottom but I can't move
> the mouse cursor beyond the bottom edge so the controlable area is
> still 1024x600.
>
> I tried to make the window of a smaller height but I only could
> adjust its width which was of no help in this case.
>
> I finally had to remotely connect from another system with bigger
> screen to configure the Pan settings from there but that's of
> course a bypass not a solution at all, n[eo]books are aimed to be
> standalone devices :-)
>
> I know this is a well-known problem for these kind of small devices
> but I would like to find a solution or at least a suitable bypass
> that does not require a secondary system.
>
> The computer runs Wheezy with GNOME and gnome-shell and the nebook
> screen is 10.1" with a 1024x600 resolution. It uses an Intel
> chipset (N10) as VGA.
>
> Greetings,
>

I used to have this same problem when my netbook ran Ubuntu*. I
enabled monitor indicator or icon from screen settings and rotated the
screen with it always when the bottom buttons went out of screen, but
this isn't very good way to do it.

*Nowadays it runs Linux Mint Debian Edition which has been "aptitude
full-upgraded" as Sid and I don't use any programs, which are too big.

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Old 05-05-2012, 01:15 PM
Camaleón
 
Default Panning the screen to get an usable GNOME desktop in netbooks

On Sat, 05 May 2012 07:10:46 -0500, Indulekha wrote:

> On Sat, May 05, 2012 at 11:55:03AM +0000, Camaleón wrote:

>> In my intent to make my netbook more usable (because I can barely use
>> some applications such the recently available Pan), I'm trying to get a
>> virtual screen (panning) that allows me to configure some applications
>> that fail to display the usual bottom buttons (Cancel, Apply,
>> Accept...).

(...)

> Why not change your screen res to match what's available (1024x600)?

You must be kidding, right?

If not, what's the gain you foresee for doing nothing? :-)

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Old 05-05-2012, 01:22 PM
Camaleón
 
Default Panning the screen to get an usable GNOME desktop in netbooks

On Sat, 05 May 2012 15:33:08 +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote:

> 05.05.2012 14:55, Camaleón kirjoitti:

>> In my intent to make my netbook more usable (because I can barely use
>> some applications such the recently available Pan), I'm trying to get a
>> virtual screen (panning) that allows me to configure some applications
>> that fail to display the usual bottom buttons (Cancel, Apply,
>> Accept...).

(...)

> I used to have this same problem when my netbook ran Ubuntu*. I
> enabled monitor indicator or icon from screen settings and rotated the
> screen with it always when the bottom buttons went out of screen, but
> this isn't very good way to do it.

(...)

Yup, I also tried with "xrandr --output LVDS1 --rotate right" -which
works- but from there is very hard to direct the mouse to the right
place, i.e., it's unmanageable.

P.S. Mika, kindly reconsider reducing the length of your signature.

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Old 05-05-2012, 01:25 PM
Indulekha
 
Default Panning the screen to get an usable GNOME desktop in netbooks

On Sat, May 05, 2012 at 01:15:53PM +0000, CamaleĂłn wrote:
> On Sat, 05 May 2012 07:10:46 -0500, Indulekha wrote:
>
> > On Sat, May 05, 2012 at 11:55:03AM +0000, CamaleĂłn wrote:
>
> >> In my intent to make my netbook more usable (because I can barely use
> >> some applications such the recently available Pan), I'm trying to get a
> >> virtual screen (panning) that allows me to configure some applications
> >> that fail to display the usual bottom buttons (Cancel, Apply,
> >> Accept...).
>
> (...)
>
> > Why not change your screen res to match what's available (1024x600)?
>
> You must be kidding, right?
>
> If not, what's the gain you foresee for doing nothing? :-)
>
> Greetings,
>

Well, right now I'm on a 1440x1050 monitor, so I use that
resolution. Wouldn't dream of running something larger
and then dealing with scrollbars to see the whole screen,
it just seems a bit silly and I expect it would become tedious
rather quickly.

But, everyone's got their own ideas I guess....

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Old 05-05-2012, 01:29 PM
Brian
 
Default Panning the screen to get an usable GNOME desktop in netbooks

On Sat 05 May 2012 at 11:55:03 +0000, Camaleón wrote:

> In my intent to make my netbook more usable (because I can barely use
> some applications such the recently available Pan), I'm trying to get a
> virtual screen (panning) that allows me to configure some applications
> that fail to display the usual bottom buttons (Cancel, Apply, Accept...).
>
> So to get the extra space, I run:
>
> xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1024x600 --fb 1024x768 --panning 1024x768
>
> Which returns nothing (meaning a success command) and I can see the
> display has been somehow "cutted" at the bottom but I can't move the
> mouse cursor beyond the bottom edge so the controlable area is still
> 1024x600.

The last time this came up on the List I had a play with --panning and
xrandr. The result you have got sounds similar to what I experienced.
You are not alone either:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39949


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Old 05-05-2012, 01:32 PM
Mika Suomalainen
 
Default Panning the screen to get an usable GNOME desktop in netbooks

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05.05.2012 16:22, Camaleón kirjoitti:
> P.S. Mika, kindly reconsider reducing the length of your
> signature.

That is something what I need with.

If I remove this and tell people this separately,
> Please don't toppost, if possible
>
https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#What_is_top-posting_.28and_why_shouldn.27t_I_do_it.29.3F
then I get picked on on some other mailing lists, it's like fighting
against wind mills.

If I remove this part, I must again say it separately and get same
thing as previously and people would just tell "I cannot do that, I am
usng webmail, you idiot".
> Please don't send HTML, if possible. It's possible with most of
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>
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If I remove this part, we will see another "[OT: posting styles]"
thing here.
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This is where I return for now while I try to find another answer. The
situation is horrible on some other lists.

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Old 05-05-2012, 01:34 PM
Adrian Fita
 
Default Panning the screen to get an usable GNOME desktop in netbooks

On 05/05/12 14:55, Camaleón wrote:
> In my intent to make my netbook more usable (because I can barely use
> some applications such the recently available Pan), I'm trying to get a
> virtual screen (panning) that allows me to configure some applications
> that fail to display the usual bottom buttons (Cancel, Apply, Accept...).

[...]

Hi. This is a longshot, you might have tried this already, but anyway..

Have you tried holding the Alt key while Drag-and-Dropping from anywhere
in the window? That is you position the mouse cursor anywhere close to
the bottom of the window, then hold Alt, click, and while holding the
button clicked, move the mouse upwards. The window should move up and it
shouldn't get stuck at the top of the screen, the title and the upward
part of the window should get past the top of the screen making the
bottom along with the buttons visible so you can click on them. This
works on almost any window manager I have tried.

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Old 05-05-2012, 02:03 PM
Camaleón
 
Default Panning the screen to get an usable GNOME desktop in netbooks

On Sat, 05 May 2012 08:25:53 -0500, Indulekha wrote:

> On Sat, May 05, 2012 at 01:15:53PM +0000, Camaleón wrote:

>> > Why not change your screen res to match what's available (1024x600)?
>>
>> You must be kidding, right?
>>
>> If not, what's the gain you foresee for doing nothing? :-)
>>
>>
>>
> Well, right now I'm on a 1440x1050 monitor, so I use that resolution.

And...? How that can be related to the problem?

> Wouldn't dream of running something larger and then dealing with
> scrollbars to see the whole screen, it just seems a bit silly and I
> expect it would become tedious rather quickly.

It does not work in that way.

> But, everyone's got their own ideas I guess....

Errr, yes.

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