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Old 03-30-2012, 05:30 PM
Tony van der Hoff
 
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On 30/03/12 17:55, Camaleón wrote:

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 18:36:25 +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote:


Thanks .

But some people like top posting, like me. I think that with top posting
the new message is easier to read than, when it's below the quote.


That's up to you. And to me ;-)

Huh. My god is better than your god, as is my editor, my car, and my
posting style. Anyone who disagrees is unworthy


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Old 03-30-2012, 05:32 PM
Miles Fidelman
 
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Mika Suomalainen wrote:

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Can you link me to Debian list policy / code of conduct? I think that
I might have missed that part.

On 30.03.2012 20:22, Jon Dowland wrote:
Debian list policy / code of conduct is NOT to top post. Please
respect it.


(Illustrating the problems when people intermix top and bottom posting.....)

That's what I thought, too, but then I checked:
http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/

And top vs. bottom posting does NOT seem to be addressed. Sort of
surprised me.


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Old 03-30-2012, 05:35 PM
Mika Suomalainen
 
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On 30.03.2012 20:28, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Camaleón<noelamac@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 18:25:42 +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Could someone explain me, what are "top- and bottom posting"
>>>> styles?
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
>> Though it's generally ideal to go with a conversational style,
>> inserting new text within the quoted material for context. Top
>> posting almost never meets this, bottom posting only works when
>> the post you're responding to is very short. Like this.
>
> I'll echo this one. Particularly when a thread gets long (as when
> trying to debug a problem).
>
> It gets very difficult to follow a thread when either: - there's no
> context kept in a message (you have to go back and sort through
> previous messages) - some people top post, some people bottom post,
> some people interleave
>
> Really helps when there's a generally agreed upon convention for a
> list, and when people quote selectively.
>
> Just one man's opinion, of course.
>
> Miles Fidelman
>
>

Thank you for providing explaining to bottom post. I have now
configured Icedove and K9 Mail to do bottom posting instead of top
posting.

- --
Mika Suomalainen
> gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys
> 4DB53CFE82A46728 Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65
> 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728
>> NOTE: The old key (62FE66853913CB03) expires on 03.04.2012!
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Old 03-30-2012, 05:51 PM
Mika Suomalainen
 
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Oh, and where is the "Hi," which starts the first message with
topposting put with bottom posting?

- --
Mika Suomalainen
> gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys
> 4DB53CFE82A46728 Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65
> 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728
>> NOTE: The old key (62FE66853913CB03) expires on 03.04.2012!
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Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

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Old 03-30-2012, 06:21 PM
Claudius Hubig
 
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Hello Mika,

Mika Suomalainen <mika.henrik.mainio@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you for providing explaining to bottom post. I have now
> configured Icedove and K9 Mail to do bottom posting instead of top
> posting.

Just to do some more nitpicking: You should also remove everything
you are not referring to.

> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

And is there a specific reason you prefer PGP/Inline over PGP/Mime?
The latter avoids these ugly chunks of code at the end of the
displayed message.

And once messages are trimmed like this, they’re even readable on
mobile phones :-)

Best regards,

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Old 03-30-2012, 06:42 PM
Mika Suomalainen
 
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Claudius Hubig <debian_1203@chubig.net> wrote:

>Hello Mika,
>
>Mika Suomalainen <mika.henrik.mainio@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Thank you for providing explaining to bottom post. I have now
>> configured Icedove and K9 Mail to do bottom posting instead of top
>> posting.
>
>Just to do some more nitpicking: You should also remove everything
>you are not referring to.
>
>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>
>And is there a specific reason you prefer PGP/Inline over PGP/Mime?
>The latter avoids these ugly chunks of code at the end of the
>displayed message.
>
>And once messages are trimmed like this, they’re even readable on
>mobile phones :-)
>
>Best regards,
>
>Claudius
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>Please use GPG: ECB0C2C7 4A4C4046 446ADF86 C08112E5 D72CDBA4
>http://chubig.net telnet://nightfall.org:4242

Hi Cladius,

I think that I understand now.

Yes, there are reasons why I prefer GPG inline to s/mime.
1. K9 Maill can only verify inline signatures.
2. Inline signature is easier to verify when reading mailing list archives.
3. Inline spams people who do not use gpg compatible email client :P

PS. This is email is sent from my phone.
Mika Suomalainen
> gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728
> Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728
>> NOTE: The old key (62FE66853913CB03) expires on 03.04.2012!
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Old 03-30-2012, 06:52 PM
Claudius Hubig
 
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Hello Mika,

Mika Suomalainen <mika.henrik.mainio@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 1. K9 Maill can only verify inline signatures.

Hrm. Report a bug?

> 2. Inline signature is easier to verify when reading mailing list archives.

Most archives have an option to download the ‘plain’ mail including
all MIME parts. I have to agree, though, that it is easier to have
the signature inline in this case.

> 3. Inline spams people who do not use gpg compatible email client :P

The signatures are also shown with Claws Mails. Additionally, you do
not want to spam people, you want them to read questions most easily
so they can answer quickly.

Best regards,

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Old 03-30-2012, 06:58 PM
Mika Suomalainen
 
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Claudius Hubig <debian_1203@chubig.net> wrote:

>Hello Mika,
>
>Mika Suomalainen <mika.henrik.mainio@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 1. K9 Maill can only verify inline signatures.
>
>Hrm. Report a bug?
>
>> 2. Inline signature is easier to verify when reading mailing list
>archives.
>
>Most archives have an option to download the ‘plain’ mail including
>all MIME parts. I have to agree, though, that it is easier to have
>the signature inline in this case.
>
>> 3. Inline spams people who do not use gpg compatible email client :P
>
>The signatures are also shown with Claws Mails. Additionally, you do
>not want to spam people, you want them to read questions most easily
>so they can answer quickly.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Claudius
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>Please use GPG: ECB0C2C7 4A4C4046 446ADF86 C08112E5 D72CDBA4
>http://chubig.net telnet://nightfall.org:4242

1. It has been reported.

3. Oh, I thought that all clients do like Enigmail. It just shows blue/green banner with valid signatures. Blue for untrusted key and green for signed key.
Mika Suomalainen
> gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728
> Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728
>> NOTE: The old key (62FE66853913CB03) expires on 03.04.2012!
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Old 03-30-2012, 07:36 PM
Tom H
 
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On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Mika Suomalainen
<mika.henrik.mainio@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> But some people like top posting, like me. I think that with top
> posting the new message is easier to read than, when it's below the quote.

http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#What_is_top-posting_.28and_why_shouldn.27t_I_do_it.29.3F


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Old 03-31-2012, 08:52 AM
Camaleón
 
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 20:14:33 +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote:

> Hint: Look for GPG signatures which mention "VERSION: APG" something,
> they are sent from Android phones.

I still prefer to use the old and good e-mail headers, which in your case
returns...

***
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.3) Gecko/20120329 Icedove/10.0.3
***

... that you have no excuse for not bottom-posting ;-)

As per cell phone posters, to bottom-or-not it's just a matter of intention.

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