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Pierre Frenkiel 03-21-2012 09:01 AM

upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude
 
hi,
I wanted to upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy, and as I saw in several places
that aptitude should be preferred to apt-get, I first tried with it.
I started with only 1 line in sources.list:
deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
and tried several times "aptitude safe-upgrade"
Each time, aptitude stayed indefinitely on "resolving dependencies" and did
nothing else.
I then issued: "apt-get dist-upgrade", and all worked perfectly, in less
than 30 minutes.

My question: is it better to also revert to apt-get for package management,
or is the problem specific to the upgrade to a new release?

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Lisi 03-21-2012 09:13 AM

upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude
 
On Wednesday 21 March 2012 10:01:38 Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> hi,
> I wanted to upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy, and as I saw in several places
> that aptitude should be preferred to apt-get, I first tried with it.
> I started with only 1 line in sources.list:
> deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
> and tried several times "aptitude safe-upgrade"
> Each time, aptitude stayed indefinitely on "resolving dependencies" and did
> nothing else.
> I then issued: "apt-get dist-upgrade", and all worked perfectly, in less
> than 30 minutes.
>
> My question: is it better to also revert to apt-get for package management,
> or is the problem specific to the upgrade to a new release?

aptitude full-upgrade is the equivalent of apt-get dist-upgrade. aptitude
safe-upgrade has different checks.

Lisi


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Claudius Hubig 03-21-2012 10:26 AM

upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude
 
Hello Pierre,

Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wanted to upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy, and as I saw in several places
> that aptitude should be preferred to apt-get, I first tried with it.

> My question: is it better to also revert to apt-get for package management,
> or is the problem specific to the upgrade to a new release?

The release notes for Squeeze already refer to apt-get rather than
aptitude. From my point of view, during a specific timeframe around
2008, aptitude was technically superior, but since apt-get has caught
up, it appears to be the preferred choice.

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Pierre Frenkiel 03-21-2012 12:42 PM

upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude
 
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012, Lisi wrote:


aptitude full-upgrade is the equivalent of apt-get dist-upgrade. aptitude
safe-upgrade has different checks.


It is what is written in the man, but experience shows this is not true.
After installing kernel 3.2 I tried both:
apt-get dist-upgrade, which gave
1060 upgraded, 312 newly installed, 18 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
aptitude full-upgrade gave
1050 packages upgraded, 313 newly installed, 30 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
and then asks for removal of 18 other packages.

which means that aptitude wants to remove 52 packages, and apt-get 18
It's difficult to say what is the good choice, but anyway then are not equivalent.
(apt-get upgrade gives:
801 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 261 not upgraded.)


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Lisi 03-21-2012 01:55 PM

upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude
 
On Wednesday 21 March 2012 13:42:24 Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> but anyway then are not equivalent.

Eqivalent does not equal identical. If they were identical there would be no
point in having the two of them. None the less they are equivalent, in that
if you are upgrading to a higher version of Debian, then apt-get dist-upgrade
is what you use in apt-get and aptitude full-upgrade is what you use in
aptitude.

aptitude safe-upgrade has a different purpose.

Lisi


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Alberto Fuentes 03-21-2012 02:46 PM

upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude
 
On 21/03/12 11:01, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:

I then issued: "apt-get dist-upgrade", and all worked perfectly, in less
than 30 minutes.


Awesome!
I had a vm machine that i was trying to upgrade and it failed every
time. I blamed the vm... then i noticed i was trying to upgrade it with
aptitude full-upgrade...


I tried apt-get and it did succeed at the first try :D

ty!
aL


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Camaleón 03-21-2012 03:14 PM

upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude
 
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:01:38 +0100, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:

> I wanted to upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy, and as I saw in several
> places that aptitude should be preferred to apt-get,

The advice on what to use seems to change from time to time :-)

> I first tried with it. I started with only 1 line in sources.list:
> deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
> and tried several times "aptitude safe-upgrade" Each time, aptitude
> stayed indefinitely on "resolving dependencies" and did nothing else.
> I then issued: "apt-get dist-upgrade", and all worked perfectly, in less
> than 30 minutes.

This is worth reading:

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_basic_package_management_operations

> My question: is it better to also revert to apt-get for package
> management, or is the problem specific to the upgrade to a new release?

I'd say: use whatever works better every time.

I have not faced any problem in stable/oldstable releases when using
official repos and "apt-get dist-upgrade". Never. A different thing could
be using external and third-party repositories over a testing/sid
distribution. In such scenario there can be times in which aptitude can be
of help.

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Pierre Frenkiel 03-21-2012 06:48 PM

upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude
 
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012, Lisi wrote:


Eqivalent does not equal identical.

"Equivalent" alone woukd be ambiguous. wiktionary.org says:

similar or identical in value, meaning or effect; virtually equal

but the aptitude man is not ambiguous:

This command was originally named dist-upgrade for historical reasons,
and aptitude still recognizes dist-upgrade as a synonym for full-upgrade.

would you say that "synonym" is not the same as "identical" ?



If they were identical there would be no
point in having the two of them.


it would take a long time to list all programs having identical
processing for some features, and different ones for others.
I consider that it is often a waste of time for developpers ans users
to have so many programs doing almost the same thing.

In an other field, there is no point to have 20 brands of yoghurts in
the supermarkets, and nonetheless you have them...


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Lisi 03-21-2012 08:22 PM

upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude
 
On Wednesday 21 March 2012 13:42:24 Pierre Frenkiel wrote:

I've managed to mislay your follow up after having read it. It would have
helped if you had not copied me in. But no, I do not agree that that is what
the manual means. It says - and means - that aptitude dist-upgrade will
still work for historical reasons, and is synonymous with aptitude
full-upgrade. It neither says nor means that aptitude full-upgrade is
synonymous with or identical to *apt-get* dist-upgrade.

Lisi


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Alberto Fuentes 03-22-2012 07:53 AM

upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude
 
On 21/03/12 22:22, Lisi wrote:

On Wednesday 21 March 2012 13:42:24 Pierre Frenkiel wrote:

I've managed to mislay your follow up after having read it. It would have
helped if you had not copied me in. But no, I do not agree that that is what
the manual means. It says - and means - that aptitude dist-upgrade will
still work for historical reasons, and is synonymous with aptitude
full-upgrade. It neither says nor means that aptitude full-upgrade is
synonymous with or identical to *apt-get* dist-upgrade.

Lisi


I agree with you, but it does not matter. The man page is often outdated
and tend to mislead in obscure corners cases of the project


Or so I've seen so far...

greets!
aL


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