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Old 03-19-2012, 02:05 PM
Loïc Grenié
 
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2012/3/19 Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com>:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:34:17 +0100, Loïc Grenié wrote:
>
>> 2012/3/19 Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com>:
>>> It works and runs fine here (using 64 bits firefox and 64 bits flash
>>> plugin). Maybe is something at your side... does your ISP has some sort
>>> of proxy tha could be interferring? Can you try to access the site from
>>> a different ISP?
>>
>> * * I've just tried from a different ISP (my computer is a laptop, that
>> * helps !). Same thing
>>
>> * * However !!!!
>>
>> * * When I set
>>
>> allowThirdPartyLSOAccess
>>
>> * to true, it works.
>
> Where did you set that value? Firefox (browser), Adobe Flash Plugin
> settings? I don't remember of having to do any adjustment for it :-?

vi

more precisely

vi ~/.macromedia/Flash_Player/macromedia.com/support/flashplayer/sys/settings.sol

>> * * Now this is a little bit worrying (I don't know what it's for,
>> * but it looks like it's privacy related).
>>
>> * * Does anybody know what this setting is for ?
>
> Nope, sorry, never heard of that before :-)

As I expected (google helps !)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_shared_object
Local shared objects (LSOs), commonly called flash cookies

I am re-enabling cross-site cookies. I do not find *where* I
can disable it and *when* I did it, however I have disabled
cross-site cookies and that's what blocks kongregate games.

I'm trying to find a workaround...

Thanks a lot,

Loïc


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Old 03-19-2012, 02:29 PM
Camaleón
 
Default libflash (64 bit) problem on kongregate.com

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:05:56 +0100, Loïc Grenié wrote:

> 2012/3/19 Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com>:

>>> * * When I set
>>>
>>> allowThirdPartyLSOAccess
>>>
>>> * to true, it works.
>>
>> Where did you set that value? Firefox (browser), Adobe Flash Plugin
>> settings? I don't remember of having to do any adjustment for it :-?
>
> vi
>
> more precisely
>
> vi
> ~/.macromedia/Flash_Player/macromedia.com/support/flashplayer/sys/settings.sol

Is that file directly editable? :-?

>>> * * Now this is a little bit worrying (I don't know what it's for,
>>> * but it looks like it's privacy related).
>>>
>>> * * Does anybody know what this setting is for ?
>>
>> Nope, sorry, never heard of that before :-)
>
> As I expected (google helps !)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_shared_object Local shared objects
> (LSOs), commonly called flash cookies
>
> I am re-enabling cross-site cookies. I do not find *where* I
> can disable it and *when* I did it, however I have disabled cross-site
> cookies and that's what blocks kongregate games.

I did hear about flash cookies but I don't know where the settings can be
configured... oh, wait, there's a "control panel" for adobe flash plugin I
never install, maybe this value can be tweaked from there.

Or here:

http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager.html

But I can't see any option to enable/disable that setting.

> I'm trying to find a workaround...

No way. Sites require cookies, all require cookies right now. I do allow all
cookies for any site, but I delete all of them when I close the browser (which
happens every minute :-P). It's annoying having to deal with an amnesic
browser but it avoids many headaches (like this of yours) :-)

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Old 03-19-2012, 02:39 PM
Loïc Grenié
 
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2012/3/19 Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com>:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:05:56 +0100, Loïc Grenié wrote:
>
>> 2012/3/19 Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com>:
>
>>>> Â* Â* When I set
>>>>
>>>> allowThirdPartyLSOAccess
>>>>
>>>> Â* to true, it works.
>>>
>>> Where did you set that value? Firefox (browser), Adobe Flash Plugin
>>> settings? I don't remember of having to do any adjustment for it :-?
>>
>> vi
>>
>> Â* more precisely
>>
>> vi
>> ~/.macromedia/Flash_Player/macromedia.com/support/flashplayer/sys/settings.sol
>
> Is that file directly editable? :-?

Yes (technically) but not really (practically). You have to use binary
mode and you'd better keep a clean copy (if you err -- as I did).

>>>> Â* Â* Now this is a little bit worrying (I don't know what it's for,
>>>> Â* but it looks like it's privacy related).
>>>>
>>>> Â* Â* Does anybody know what this setting is for ?
>>>
>>> Nope, sorry, never heard of that before :-)
>>
>> Â* Â* As I expected (google helps !)
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_shared_object Local shared objects
>> (LSOs), commonly called flash cookies
>>
>> Â* Â* I am re-enabling cross-site cookies. I do not find *where* I
>> Â* can disable it and *when* I did it, however I have disabled cross-site
>> Â* cookies and that's what blocks kongregate games.
>
> I did hear about flash cookies but I don't know where the settings can be
> configured... oh, wait, there's a "control panel" for adobe flash plugin I
> never install, maybe this value can be tweaked from there.
>
> Or here:
>
> http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager.html
>
> But I can't see any option to enable/disable that setting.

No, I don't see it either. It's possible that adobe does not want
you to edit it !

>> Â* Â* I'm trying to find a workaround...
>
> No way. Sites require cookies, all require cookies right now. I do allow all
> cookies for any site, but I delete all of them when I close the browser (which
> happens every minute :-P). It's annoying having to deal with an amnesic
> browser but it avoids many headaches (like this of yours) :-)

I didn't know you could erase Flash cookies at each exit. However,
I want to keep my scores in Gemcraft, no way I delete all the cookies
at each exit (my browser cookies, however, are deleted at each exit).

Loïc


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Old 03-19-2012, 02:58 PM
Camaleón
 
Default libflash (64 bit) problem on kongregate.com

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:39:02 +0100, Loïc Grenié wrote:

> 2012/3/19 Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com>:

>>> ~/.macromedia/Flash_Player/macromedia.com/support/flashplayer/sys/settings.sol
>>
>> Is that file directly editable? :-?
>
> Yes (technically) but not really (practically). You have to use
> binary
> mode and you'd better keep a clean copy (if you err -- as I did).

And can I know what's its current value (on/off)? I never touched this.

(...)

>> http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager.html
>>
>> But I can't see any option to enable/disable that setting.
>
> No, I don't see it either. It's possible that adobe does not want
> you to edit it !

That would be scary.

>>> * * I'm trying to find a workaround...
>>
>> No way. Sites require cookies, all require cookies right now. I do
>> allow all cookies for any site, but I delete all of them when I close
>> the browser (which happens every minute :-P). It's annoying having to
>> deal with an amnesic browser but it avoids many headaches (like this of
>> yours) :-)
>
> I didn't know you could erase Flash cookies at each exit.

It seems there are add-ons for that specific purpose (e.g., BetterPrivacy).

> However, I want to keep my scores in Gemcraft, no way I delete all the cookies
> at each exit (my browser cookies, however, are deleted at each exit).

Then you have to allow and keep this rubbish in your computer :-)

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Old 03-19-2012, 05:33 PM
Celejar
 
Default libflash (64 bit) problem on kongregate.com

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:58:39 +0000 (UTC)
Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:39:02 +0100, Loïc Grenié wrote:
>
> > 2012/3/19 Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com>:

...

> >> No way. Sites require cookies, all require cookies right now. I do
> >> allow all cookies for any site, but I delete all of them when I close
> >> the browser (which happens every minute :-P). It's annoying having to
> >> deal with an amnesic browser but it avoids many headaches (like this of
> >> yours) :-)
> >
> > I didn't know you could erase Flash cookies at each exit.
>
> It seems there are add-ons for that specific purpose (e.g., BetterPrivacy).

Recent FF / IW (from v4) natively clear Flash cookies:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=625495
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=625496
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Firefox-and-IE-Already-Support-Clearing-Flash-Cookies-198721.shtml

"Also on 5 January 2011, Adobe Systems, Google Inc., and Mozilla
Foundation finalized a new browser API (dubbed NPAPI ClearSiteData).
This will allow browsers implementing the API to clear local shared
objects.[11] Four months later, Adobe announced that Flash Player 10.3
enables Mozilla Firefox 4 and "future releases of Apple Safari and
Google Chrome" to delete local shared objects,[10] so since version 4,
Firefox treats LSOs the same way as HTTP cookies - deletion rules that
previously applied only to HTTP cookies now also apply to LSOs."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_shared_object

> > However, I want to keep my scores in Gemcraft, no way I delete all the cookies
> > at each exit (my browser cookies, however, are deleted at each exit).
>
> Then you have to allow and keep this rubbish in your computer :-)

Nope - BetterPrivacy allows the designation of exceptions:

Q: How to exclude certain LSOs from automatic deletion?

A: Go to BetterPrivacy's options (Firefox tools menu), LSO-manager tab,
select the site/cookie folder you want to exclude and press 'Prevent
automatic LSO deletion'. Note that you allow tracking with every
excluded LSO. Important: Protection means those LSO's are excluded from
BetterPrivacy's deletion but the owner web site still can delete them
as well as any other programs you might have running!

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/betterprivacy/

Celejar


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Old 03-19-2012, 06:00 PM
Camaleón
 
Default libflash (64 bit) problem on kongregate.com

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:33:53 -0400, Celejar wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:39:02 +0100, Loïc Grenié wrote:
>>
>> > 2012/3/19 Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com>:
>
> ...
>
>> >> No way. Sites require cookies, all require cookies right now. I do
>> >> allow all cookies for any site, but I delete all of them when I
>> >> close the browser (which happens every minute :-P). It's annoying
>> >> having to deal with an amnesic browser but it avoids many headaches
>> >> (like this of yours) :-)
>> >
>> > I didn't know you could erase Flash cookies at each exit.
>>
>> It seems there are add-ons for that specific purpose (e.g.,
>> BetterPrivacy).
>
> Recent FF / IW (from v4) natively clear Flash cookies:
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=625495
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=625496
> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Firefox-and-IE-Already-Support-Clearing-Flash-Cookies-198721.shtml

Ah, then that's why I didn't ever notice any problem, if supercookie
management has been integrated within Firefox's privacy clean settings
all are lost every minute...

But the above talks about Flash Player 10.3 and that's very old. Is still
the same for newer versions of the plugin? That will be great... and guess
that also worthless in the long time because Adobe is dropping NPAPI :-(

> "Also on 5 January 2011, Adobe Systems, Google Inc., and Mozilla
> Foundation finalized a new browser API (dubbed NPAPI ClearSiteData).
> This will allow browsers implementing the API to clear local shared
> objects.[11] Four months later, Adobe announced that Flash Player 10.3
> enables Mozilla Firefox 4 and "future releases of Apple Safari and
> Google Chrome" to delete local shared objects,[10] so since version 4,
> Firefox treats LSOs the same way as HTTP cookies - deletion rules that
> previously applied only to HTTP cookies now also apply to LSOs."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_shared_object
>
>> > However, I want to keep my scores in Gemcraft, no way I delete all
>> > the cookies at each exit (my browser cookies, however, are deleted
>> > at each exit).
>>
>> Then you have to allow and keep this rubbish in your computer :-)
>
> Nope - BetterPrivacy allows the designation of exceptions:

(...)

Sure, what I meant is that you need to keep that kind of crappy cookies
because you want them: no way out.

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Old 03-19-2012, 08:02 PM
Loïc Grenié
 
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2012/3/19 Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com>:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:39:02 +0100, Loïc Grenié wrote:
>
>> 2012/3/19 Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com>:
>
>>>> ~/.macromedia/Flash_Player/macromedia.com/support/flashplayer/sys/settings.sol
>>>
>>> Is that file directly editable? :-?
>>
>> * * Yes (technically) but not really (practically). You have to use
>> * * binary
>> * mode and you'd better keep a clean copy (if you err -- as I did).
>
> And can I know what's its current value (on/off)? I never touched this.

There is a string

allowThirdPartyLSOAccess

in the file, followed by several bytes. The first one is 1 (^A with vi)
the second one is the value: 0 (^@ with vi) is off, 1 (^A) is on.

Loïc


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Old 03-19-2012, 09:08 PM
Camaleón
 
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 22:02:24 +0100, Loïc Grenié wrote:

> 2012/3/19 Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com>:

>> And can I know what's its current value (on/off)? I never touched this.
>
> There is a string
>
> allowThirdPartyLSOAccess
>
> in the file, followed by several bytes. The first one is 1 (^A with
> vi) the second one is the value: 0 (^@ with vi) is off, 1 (^A) is on.

Mmm... according to the Wikipedia article you pointed before, this
setting can be controlled from the web control panel:

http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager03.html

Global Storage Settings panel
[x] Allow Third-Party Content To Store Data On Your Computer.

Which I have indeed, enabled, because that's the default setting.

Can you check if altering this option from the web panel makes the
corresponding change at the "settings.sol" file? I summon your magical
powers for reading the ".sol" thingy, powers that I have not developed...
yet }:-)

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Old 03-20-2012, 05:58 AM
Loïc Grenié
 
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2012/3/19 Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com>:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 22:02:24 +0100, Loïc Grenié wrote:
>
>> 2012/3/19 Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com>:
>
>>> And can I know what's its current value (on/off)? I never touched this.
>>
>> * * There is a string
>>
>> allowThirdPartyLSOAccess
>>
>> * in the file, followed by several bytes. The first one is 1 (^A with
>> * vi) the second one is the value: 0 (^@ with vi) is off, 1 (^A) is on.
>
> Mmm... according to the Wikipedia article you pointed before, this
> setting can be controlled from the web control panel:
>
> http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager03.html
>
> Global Storage Settings panel
> [x] Allow Third-Party Content To Store Data On Your Computer.
>
> Which I have indeed, enabled, because that's the default setting.
>
> Can you check if altering this option from the web panel makes the
> corresponding change at the "settings.sol" file? I summon your magical
> powers for reading the ".sol" thingy, powers that I have not developed...
> yet }:-)

Yes it does. And that's the only setting it modifies (checked with
hexdump).

Thanks,

Loïc


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Old 03-20-2012, 01:32 PM
Camaleón
 
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 07:58:18 +0100, Loïc Grenié wrote:

> 2012/3/19 Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com>:

(...)

>> Can you check if altering this option from the web panel makes the
>> corresponding change at the "settings.sol" file? I summon your magical
>> powers for reading the ".sol" thingy, powers that I have not
>> developed... yet }:-)
>
> Yes it does. And that's the only setting it modifies (checked with
> hexdump).

Thanks a bunch for confirming. Now at least we know where to set/get
these settings.

I truly hope the big Internet sites start porting their games, video and
multimedia animations/stuff into a most suitable code other than embedded
and self-contained ".swf" files so that Adobe Flash Plugin can die with
the least possible delay >>>:-)

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