On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:49:52 -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 10:26:02AM -0400, hendrik@topoi.pooq.com wrote:
>> On my AMD64 etch system, cntl-alt-F1 has stopped giving me a text
>> console a month or two ago. Now I haven't been doing anything much to
>> it excpet for regular upgrades, and the installation of an ocasional
>> new Debian package. Anyone have any ideas where to start looking?
>>
>> hendrik@april:~$ uname -a
>> Linux april 2.6.18-3-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 17:04:37 CET 2006 x86_64
>> GNU/Linux
>> hendrik@april:~$
>
> Well, the kernel is out of date despite your regular upgrades. I'm on
> etch and I'm at 2.6.18-6-amd64.
>
> Try rebooting to single-user (no X) and then doing an update/upgrade
> cycle, then reboot.

I have been upgrading. Could it be that three revisions of kernels have
passed me by unnoticed without a reboot? (I check /boot). Nope. Better
investigate why I'm not getting the upgrades.

Thanks.

-- hendrik

>
> Doug.



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On Wednesday 23 April 2008 11:25, Hendrik Boom wrote:

>
> I have been upgrading. Could it be that three revisions of kernels have
> passed me by unnoticed without a reboot? (I check /boot). Nope. Better
> investigate why I'm not getting the upgrades.

If you have both linux-image-2.6-<arch> and
linux-image-2.6.18-<version>-<arch> on your machine, then
the usual "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" won't do the kernel upgrade,
it will instead "hold" the linux-image-2.6-<arch> package, because
of the dependency coupling -- linux-image-2.6.18-<version>-<arch>
is a dependency of linux-image-2.6-<arch>.

This is a very handy feature for those of us with custom
modules in the kernel, it allows us to do the regular
apt-get two-step without blitzing the kernel, so we can defer
the kernel upgrade until after we've re-read the module
installation instructions.

To do the upgrade, you can explicitly "install" the
latest version, or do "apt-get dist-upgrade", which takes a
more aggressive approach to dependencies.

I have no idea how aptitude handles this.

-- A.
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:01:46 -0400, Andrew Reid wrote:

> On Wednesday 23 April 2008 11:25, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
>>
>> I have been upgrading. Could it be that three revisions of kernels have
>> passed me by unnoticed without a reboot? (I check /boot). Nope. Better
>> investigate why I'm not getting the upgrades.
>
> If you have both linux-image-2.6-<arch> and
> linux-image-2.6.18-<version>-<arch> on your machine, then


It turns out I hadn't installed linux-image-2.6-amd64, so it didn't
automatically notice the new kernel, because there was no dependency.

I installed the new kernel, and it crashed during reboot.

I booted the new kernel a second dime, and it didn't crash this time.

hendrik@april:~$ uname -a
Linux april 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 17:50:19 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
hendrik@april:~$

Still no ctl-alt-F1, though. Next I'll try replacing the keyboard.

-- hendrik.


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On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:26:02 -0400, hendrik wrote:

> On my AMD64 etch system, cntl-alt-F1 has stopped giving me a text
> console a month or two ago. Now I haven't been doing anything much to
> it excpet for regular upgrades, and the installation of an ocasional new
> Debian package. Anyone have any ideas where to start looking?
>
> hendrik@april:~$ uname -a
> Linux april 2.6.18-3-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 17:04:37 CET 2006 x86_64
> GNU/Linux
> hendrik@april:~$
>
> -- hendrik

Today the vertual text consoles are back. No explanation.

-- hendrik


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On 2-May-08, at 4:06 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:26:02 -0400, hendrik wrote:

On my AMD64 etch system, cntl-alt-F1 has stopped giving me a text
console a month or two ago.



Today the vertual text consoles are back. No explanation.


Doug Tutty gave up trying to instantiate them :-)

There was an intel video driver bug on u***u
<https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/
+bug/182865>
but I didn't mention as I didn't figure you had intel video with AMD
chipset. Maybe your video driver had a similar issue.


Brian

On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 04:27:10PM -0400, Brian McKee wrote:
> On 2-May-08, at 4:06 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:26:02 -0400, hendrik wrote:
> >>On my AMD64 etch system, cntl-alt-F1 has stopped giving me a text
> >>console a month or two ago.
>
> >Today the vertual text consoles are back. No explanation.
>
> Doug Tutty gave up trying to instantiate them :-)
>
> There was an intel video driver bug on u***u
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/
> +bug/182865>
> but I didn't mention as I didn't figure you had intel video with AMD
> chipset. Maybe your video driver had a similar issue.
>
> Brian

What did it give up on?

I run Etch amd64 with startx, and still have VT access. (yes, Virtual
Terminals, not my VT520).

Doug.


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On Fri, 02 May 2008 16:27:10 -0400, Brian McKee wrote:

> On 2-May-08, at 4:06 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:26:02 -0400, hendrik wrote:
>>> On my AMD64 etch system, cntl-alt-F1 has stopped giving me a text
>>> console a month or two ago.
>
>> Today the vertual text consoles are back. No explanation.
>
> Doug Tutty gave up trying to instantiate them :-)
>
> There was an intel video driver bug on u***u
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/
> +bug/182865>
> but I didn't mention as I didn't figure you had intel video with AMD
> chipset. Maybe your video driver had a similar issue.
>
> Brian

I have an nvidia video chip, and am using free drivers. NOT the nvidia
proprietary ones. They worked fine, then I lost the virtual text
consoles, now they are back. Rebooting and kernel upgrades did not seem
to make a difference, but now, suddenly, they are back. This is good. I
hate doing kernel or X upgrades while running as root in an xterm.

I'm still having random kernel panic upon reboot, though, as mentioned
elsewhere. I'm afraid to reboot in case I can't. I now make a full
backup of all user files onto a USB drive before every reboot.

Just in case.

-- hendrik


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