On Sun, 2011-10-02 at 09:53 -0600, Aaron Toponce wrote:
> But, if you want a stellar MUA, check out Mutt.

I tested Wanderlust for Emacs, but I don't like the tons of short-cuts.
Hm? Has Mutt a search option? The German Eiki says it one an award, but
KMail won an award too.

I experienced all Mozilla mailers, e.g. Thunderbird as good, I just
would prefer something original Linux, well I still use Iceweasel,
Firefox and Opera, since I don't know better browsers, but AFAIK they
started for the Windows platform.

- Ralf


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On Sun, 2011-10-02 at 13:48 +0100, Tom Furie wrote:
> I avoid Evolution like the plague

I should do this too. That might protect others and me against my own
misbehaving.


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On Mon, 2011-10-03 at 11:23 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> So, how long is the lkist of addressees going to get, and, why do you
> not just reply to the list?

If you reply to mails from the Digest, Evolution isn't able to reply to
the list only and ...

On Sun, 2011-10-02 at 15:17 -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> But the quoted text makes clear who Ralf is addressing, so please let
> him troll alone, we have had enough useless emails already.

... since I was in a rage, I didn't edit the recipient lines. It also
can happen, that I forget this, when I'm not inn a rage.


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On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 21:29, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net> wrote:
> Do I need to switch back to Windoof's Thunderbird for Linux, or is there
> any usable Linux Mailer?
>

I actually rally like Thunderbird. In fact, I think that Debian's
popular little daughter now uses Thunderbird as the default email
client instead of Evolution. Give it a try.


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On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 01:22, Lisi <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:
> Since a mere 20 minutes later he wrote that he *was* pissed, it must have been
> in the American sense. *No-one could go from very drunk to sober in 20
> minutes!! *I did rather wonder what he meant - I didn't know that the
> American sense existed.
>
> Lisi

You've never been stopped by a cop while drunk then! Instant sobriety!


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On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 12:45:13PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-10-02 at 09:53 -0600, Aaron Toponce wrote:
> > But, if you want a stellar MUA, check out Mutt.
>
> I tested Wanderlust for Emacs, but I don't like the tons of short-cuts.
> Hm? Has Mutt a search option? The German Eiki says it one an award, but
> KMail won an award too.

Mutt has several search options and many shortcuts

I am using a maildir setup and with the maildir-utils I can use F8 to
search all my mail and F9 to browse the result.

I have not come across another mail client that can handle large volumes
of emails as efficiently as mutt (combined with .procmail, maildir and
maildir-utils). If you are not used to text-based mail clients it might
take some time to get used to, but the learning is worth while.

Regards
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On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 02:08:42PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 12:45:13PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > I tested Wanderlust for Emacs, but I don't like the tons of short-cuts.

What do you mean by "short-cuts"? If you mean keyboard navigation, that is
what Mutt is all about. One keypress does one thing, while another does
something different. Because there is no GUI, it's 100% entirely driven by
the keyboard. So, the term "short-cuts" doesn't really apply here, as it's
the _only_ way to get around. In a GUI, I would imagine there are keyboard
"short-cuts" to mimic behavior that a mouse would do.

> > Hm? Has Mutt a search option? The German Eiki says it one an award, but
> > KMail won an award too.
>
> Mutt has several search options and many shortcuts
>
> I am using a maildir setup and with the maildir-utils I can use F8 to
> search all my mail and F9 to browse the result.

I haven't setup Mutt to read local mail, personally, so I haven't really
researched the search options and availability. I use it behind IMAP, and
rely on my IMAP provider for searching, filtering and labeling mail. I just
want my MUA to be a dummy-terminal, so-to-speak, to my mail.

> I have not come across another mail client that can handle large volumes
> of emails as efficiently as mutt (combined with .procmail, maildir and
> maildir-utils). If you are not used to text-based mail clients it might
> take some time to get used to, but the learning is worth while.

Agreed. I have surpassed 80,000 messages with my email provider, and still
going strong. Mutt is the only MUA that I have used that I can rip through
that amount of mail with little effort. And given all of its powerd and
extensibilities, I have a hard time using other clients. Plus, it's 100%
standards compliant, which not only is important for me using a web
browser, but also important for my mail.

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On Mon, 2011-10-03 at 14:08 +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
> Mutt has several search options

"The good, ...

> and many shortcuts

... the Bad and the Ugly"

> I am using a maildir setup and with the maildir-utils I can use F8 to
> search all my mail and F9 to browse the result.

That's good again, since Evolution switched from mbox to maildir, so I
should be able to import the Mails from Evolution. Anyway, I tend to
install Thunderbird.

> [snip] handle large volumes [snip]

If so, indeed a good argument.

- Ralf


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On Lu, 03 oct 11, 06:39:25, Aaron Toponce wrote:
> Plus, it's 100%
> standards compliant, which not only is important for me using a web
> browser, but also important for my mail.

Not quite 100%, but the bugs... fleas get fixed when reported.

There is a long standing bug regarding GPG MIME signatures that get a
"Content-Disposition: inline" (or similar, writing from memory, too lazy
to look it up), which will cause standards compliant mailers (amazingly
Gmail is the more pedantic one here) to display/quote the GPG signature
on replies.

The bug is still present in squeeze (1.5.20), but it is fixed in 1.5.21
(available from backports).

Other than that a big +1 for mutt. The only possible evolution (pun
intended) I see for it would be to become a front-end/integrate
sup/notmuch.

Regards,
Andrei
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