On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Johannes Schauer <j.schauer@email.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 06:11:56PM +0200, Aniruddha wrote:
>> I prefer RSSOwl: www.rssowl.org They have Debian repository.
>
> Thanks for the tip!
>
> Unfortunately, if you want a html renderer, you need
> libswt-gnome-gtk-3-jni which (since I do not use gnome) pulls in a few
> hundred megabytes of libgnome-* and other gnome related dependencies
> (like gvfs - wtf?).
>
I use the Linux 64-bit zip which has minimal dependencies. Just
download and unpack it, it should work.


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I missed the beginning of this thread and apologize in advance if this is
redundant or doesn't answer the OP's question, but the Newsfox addon for
Firefox is OK. Not perfect but quite usable.
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On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Johannes Schauer <j.schauer@email.de> wrote:
>
> What I'm using now is liferea which is okay but could be more minimal
> and mainly, is way too slow to enjoy using it (search for the fsync
> issue).

Sounds like you may need to tune your filesystem. If fsync() is
causing a problem, it probably means that it's forcing all pending
data writes for that filesystem to disk, not just that file.
Unfortunately this seems to be the default configuration because so
many broken programs seem to depend on that. Sad really. A file
system gets tweaked to make bad programs work well, then end up
slowing down correct programs. So people break the correct programs
to get around the performance problems and end up depending on the new
feature of the filesystem.

Personally, I tune all of my filesystems with journal_data_writeback
enabled, and if any system apps break, I'll file bugs against them.
But meanwhile, apps that do correctly use fsync() don't mess up
performance for the whole system.

As a compromise, you might try making your home directory (or whatever
directory liferea keeps its data on) is configured with that mount
option and see if it improves performance.

Normally I'd point someone to this article:
http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/03/15/dont-fear-the-fsync

but the site seems to be down at the moment.

Fortunately, I ended up going into my RSS reader of choice, Google
Reader, and finding the article and reshared it via my Buzz feed. I
think you'd now be able to read it at:
https://plus.google.com/117219624378904478730/posts/Mwn9a2woZYv



Our of curiosity, why choose a local app over a central service like
Reader or any of the others out there?

I used to be a big fan of such local apps, but since I could be on any
number of machines (2 home desktops, a couple of laptops, few machines
at work), I've found a web app a lot more convenient.

mrc


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Johannes Schauer wrote:
> What I'm using now is liferea which is okay but could be more minimal
> and mainly, is way too slow to enjoy using it (search for the fsync
> issue).

You might try 'eatmydata' available in Sid to avoid the fsync problem.
And how much trouble can an rss feed reader cause anyway?

$ eatmydata liferea

Bob

Hi,

On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 01:21:53PM -0700, Mike Castle wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Johannes Schauer <j.schauer@email.de> wrote:
> Our of curiosity, why choose a local app over a central service like
> Reader or any of the others out there?
>
> I used to be a big fan of such local apps, but since I could be on any
> number of machines (2 home desktops, a couple of laptops, few machines
> at work), I've found a web app a lot more convenient.

My reason is: I only have one machine with Xorg and access all other
machines (home desktops, home servers, few clusters and other machines
at work) via ssh. Since there is no other machine with a screen, I would
only read my rss on that one machine and thus, having a local app is
sufficient. Even though I have a umts flatrate as well, I mostly use
umts when traveling (mostly via train) and there the connection is very
flaky. So for me it is very useful to have my reader try downloading it
periodically and then reading it all offline.

Of course my other machine with a screen is my smartphone but due to
limitations of screen size I dont use it for my rss feeds as some of
them heavily rely on big photos/images (like photo blogs and webcomics).

To the fsync issue: even with replacing fsync calls by empty ones,
liferea is very slow. It's faster than before but far slower than a
small python/gtk/webkit rss reader I hacked together in the meanwhile
which reacts in an instant to any user input of mine instead of taking a
few seconds to react. Since other users on the web report similar issues
with liferea (even with fsync disabled) I dont think this is a
misconfiguration of my system and liferea is just slow in general.

thanks for your input!

cheers, josch


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Hi again,

about half a year ago, I complained about the lack of a good, minimal
RSS reader:

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:20:47AM +0200, Johannes Schauer wrote:
> I've been looking for a good RSS feed reader for years now but I still
> seem not to be able to find a sane, minimal graphical RSS reader.
>
> What I'm using now is liferea which is okay but could be more minimal
> and mainly, is way too slow to enjoy using it (search for the fsync
> issue).
>
> [...]
>
> What I'm looking for is not much: it would just depend on either
> gtk/qt/efl/whatever for its UI, would have one list of the feeds,
> another list for recent feed items and another frame with a gecko or
> webkit plugin for presenting the item. Why this feature/dependency bloat
> everywhere?
>
> Why is there no simple reader with minimal dependencies? Am I just
> overlooking one? Are my requirements too weird? I'm not afraid to
> compile from source either, should it not be in Debian. Should I like it
> I would also package it for Debian.
>
> As I said, liferea is close (just had to bear with the gconf2
> dependency) but slow as hell (and no, I refuse to use the "fsync
> workaround").
>
> Are there others that share my need? If there is really no such thing
> as a real minimal graphical RSS reader, I'm close to writing one
> myself.

Well, I wrote one myself and here it is:

https://github.com/josch/pyferea

Posting it here, as there were some others also interested in a
solution.

cheers, josch


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On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 04:12:26PM +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> about half a year ago, I complained about the lack of a good, minimal
> RSS reader:
>

aptitude isntall newbeuter
http://www.newsbeuter.org/

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Hi Tony,

> aptitude isntall newbeuter
> http://www.newsbeuter.org/

In my original email (that I was replying to with my last mail) I wrote:

> - There are readers for the terminal but I have several feeds with
> images and I dont want to open another window of my browser each time.

I'm in great love with having as much of my applications terminal based
but my RSS reader cannot be one of them as there are quite a number of
them that are based on pictures (photo blogs, webcomics, mangas...)

thank you for your input!

cheers, josch


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On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:29:48 -0500
Tony Baldwin <tony@tonybaldwin.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 04:12:26PM +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote:
> > Hi again,
> >
> > about half a year ago, I complained about the lack of a good, minimal
> > RSS reader:
> >
>
> aptitude isntall newbeuter
> http://www.newsbeuter.org/

In the OP's original message, he asked for a "sane, minimal graphical
RSS reader" - newsbeuter is (AFAICT) a TUI app. I, too, shared the OP's
frustration with the dearth of good, fast GUI RSS readers; I use
liferea, but its performance is disappointing.

Celejar


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On 25 February 2012 02:12, Johannes Schauer <j.schauer@email.de> wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> about half a year ago, I complained about the lack of a good, minimal
> RSS reader:

I've been using tt-rss for a couple of months and so far I really like it.

Cheers,
Alex


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