Wayne writes:
> I am not in the habit of installing packages that known to not work.
If the package was known not to work the bug would be "grave".
<http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities>
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07-08-2011, 10:47 PM
Wayne Topa
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On 07/08/2011 06:04 PM, John Hasler wrote:
> Wayne writes:
>> I am not in the habit of installing packages that known to not work.
>
> If the package was known not to work the bug would be "grave".
> <http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities>
True! But I am seeing more "non grave" lately then I am used to. What
bothers me is that I can't identify which package the bugs are in so I
can't report them. I think I need a break from computers.
Thanks John, for the reality check.
Regards
Wayne
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07-09-2011, 01:02 AM
D G Teed
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On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Wayne Topa <linuxtwo@gmail.com> wrote:
On 07/08/2011 03:42 PM, D G Teed wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Wayne Topa <linuxtwo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 07/08/2011 12:57 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 12:50:36PM -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
>>>> Is postgresql more reliable then mysql
>>>
>>> Yes, without a shadow of doubt.
>>>
>>>> or are there other viable DB's?
>>>
>>> Yes, though I haven't used them myself, PostgreSQL serving my
>>> needs quite nicely. *There are quite a number of alternatives;
>>> google can help here.
>>>
>> Thanks for the reply Roger.
>>
>> I tried installing postgres-8.4 on Sid but it too has a problem :-(
>>
>> grave bugs of postgresql-8.4 (-> ) <marked as done in some version>
>> *#630569 - php5-pgsql and postgresql >= 8.4 seem to collude never to
>> close idle persistent connections
>> Summary:
>> *postgresql-8.4(2 bugs)
>>
>> I can't win for losing.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>
> I don't understand. Is your requirement to install a DB
> package with zero bugs? *It doesn't exist anywhere.
>
I am not in the habit of installing packages that known to not work.
Thanks for your enlightening comment. *I look forward to your request
for help in the future.
Sorry, but your question seemed naive and still seems so.* I was actually
hoping to hear my understanding of your concern was wrong.
There are thousands of web sites, big and small, using mysql and postgresql.
They all have bugs, just as any Linux or another other OS we choose has
bugs, some big, some small.
Oracle has bugs as well - some as serious as found in any major open source
database project.
This inability to install a database is not a real inability, but rather
an irrational choice.* If mysql was seriously flawed, then it should surely fall
apart under the weight of its use to power facebook.
If the facebook example seems like a one hit wonder, take a look at the other
"customers" of mysql:
http://www.mysql.com/customers/
If stability is your concern, don't run with Sid.* It is for development work and
testing changes.* People might run Sid on the desktop for getting slightly
later and greater packages, but Sid is not for production use.
07-09-2011, 02:12 AM
shawn wilson
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Heh, maybe you Google 'trusting trust'. It's cs 'theory'.
On Jul 8, 2011 6:48 PM, "Wayne Topa" <linuxtwo@gmail.com> wrote:> On 07/08/2011 06:04 PM, John Hasler wrote:
>> Wayne writes:
>>> I am not in the habit of installing packages that known to not work.
>>
>> If the package was known not to work the bug would be "grave".
>> <http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities>
>
> True! But I am seeing more "non grave" lately then I am used to. What
> bothers me is that I can't identify which package the bugs are in so I
> can't report them. I think I need a break from computers.
>
> Thanks John, for the reality check.
>
> Regards
> Wayne
>
>
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07-09-2011, 03:48 AM
Wayne Topa
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On 07/08/2011 09:02 PM, D G Teed wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Wayne Topa <linuxtwo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 07/08/2011 03:42 PM, D G Teed wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Wayne Topa <linuxtwo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 07/08/2011 12:57 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 12:50:36PM -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
>>>>>> Is postgresql more reliable then mysql
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, without a shadow of doubt.
>>>>>
>>>>>> or are there other viable DB's?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, though I haven't used them myself, PostgreSQL serving my
>>>>> needs quite nicely. There are quite a number of alternatives;
>>>>> google can help here.
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the reply Roger.
>>>>
>>>> I tried installing postgres-8.4 on Sid but it too has a problem :-(
>>>>
>>>> grave bugs of postgresql-8.4 (-> ) <marked as done in some version>
>>>> #632028 - postgresql 8.4.8 regression - failure to handle char(4) =
>>>> bpchar (Fixed: postgresql-8.4/8.4.8-0squeeze2)
>>>> serious bugs of postgresql-8.4 (-> ) <unfixed>
>>>> #630569 - php5-pgsql and postgresql >= 8.4 seem to collude never to
>>>> close idle persistent connections
>>>> Summary:
>>>> postgresql-8.4(2 bugs)
>>>>
>>>> I can't win for losing.
>>>>
>>>> Wayne
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't understand. Is your requirement to install a DB
>>> package with zero bugs? It doesn't exist anywhere.
>>>
>>
>> I am not in the habit of installing packages that known to not work.
>>
>> Thanks for your enlightening comment. I look forward to your request
>> for help in the future.
>>
>>
> Sorry, but your question seemed naive and still seems so. I was actually
> hoping to hear my understanding of your concern was wrong.
>
> There are thousands of web sites, big and small, using mysql and postgresql.
And I have run mysql since the mid 90's and have never had any problem
with it until the Squeeze release. I guess you missed that post.
>
> They all have bugs, just as any Linux or another other OS we choose has
> bugs, some big, some small.
>
> Oracle has bugs as well - some as serious as found in any major open source
> database project.
>
> This inability to install a database is not a real inability, but rather
> an irrational choice. If mysql was seriously flawed, then it should surely
> fall
> apart under the weight of its use to power facebook.
>
> If the facebook example seems like a one hit wonder, take a look at the
> other
> "customers" of mysql:
>
> http://www.mysql.com/customers/
>
> If stability is your concern, don't run with Sid. It is for development
> work and
> testing changes. People might run Sid on the desktop for getting slightly
> later and greater packages, but Sid is not for production use.
>
I guess you did not read my OP. I run Stable, Wheezy and Sid. Mysql
has a problem with the mysql-server-5.1 package on all 3.
Have a nice day/night.
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07-09-2011, 06:25 AM
Osamu Aoki
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Hi,
On Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 06:47:46PM -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
> On 07/08/2011 06:04 PM, John Hasler wrote:
> > Wayne writes:
> >> I am not in the habit of installing packages that known to not work.
> >
> > If the package was known not to work the bug would be "grave".
> > <http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities>
Also when you read BTS, not all grave bugs may hit you badly. It may be
some special environment only.
Poppulat packages tends to get more bug reports and ... some are not
really such bug. See "apt" as example.
So it is good to check critical/serious/grave bugs and stop for
installing package at first sight. But after checking contents of such
bug report, it may be wise not to avoid installing such packages. For
exaplle, I can not think of living without apt even if it has 2 grave
bugs in unstable. (Hmmm.... one of the grave bug is nothing but
undeserved bug severity escalation. I should proposed to downgrade it.)
Osamu
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07-09-2011, 01:34 PM
Aaron Toponce
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On Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 11:48:46PM -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
> I guess you did not read my OP. I run Stable, Wheezy and Sid. Mysql
> has a problem with the mysql-server-5.1 package on all 3.
>
> Have a nice day/night.
I have had _zero_ problems with MySQL. It powers the several Wordpress
blogs I am hosting, a photo gallery, an internal RSS feed aggregator, and a
ton of other things. Sure, it has bugs, but it runs smoothly, without
problems. I've been running it on the past three stable releases, all
without issue.
I also run MySQL on a Sid machine for development. I have a Django web app
that I am working on that uses MySQL as the backend, and everything hums
along fine.
The only time I ever had a problem with MySQL was when I worked as a data
mining engineer for a large political research company. It was my job to
take tables of millions of rows, and hundreds of thousands of columns, sift
through the data, and pull out voting records based on certain criteria. We
had a custom built-in app for doing the work, but it was slow as molasses
on a cold day, and buggy as hell. So, I decided to try a solid DB server.
MySQL was my first choice, and not only would it break under the weight of
the tables, it would bring the OS down too. PostgreSQL handled everything
just fine, was snappy as hell, and never gave me any problems.
To each their own, but I've put MySQL through the refiners fire, and other
than running SQL statements on enormously massive tables, it's been
exceptionally reliable for me. Sounds to me like you have other issues than
just MySQL.
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o o o . o . . o o o o . o o o
Upgrading database engine *IS* a complicated and highly risky task,
regardless of the engine.
And this task can't be done automatically, highly depending of what you
do with your datadases.
In production context, upgrade is even totally forbidden without serious
impact analysis, reliable backups, multiple backups test, pre-prod-test
and re-qualification of all depending softwares.
So, if you look for a no-bug-automatically-upgradable database engine,
go to church and pray a lot… And play lottery, you have more chance of
winning there !
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Upgrading database engine *IS* a complicated and highly risky task,
regardless of the engine.
And this task can't be done automatically, highly depending of what you
do with your datadases.
In production context, upgrade is even totally forbidden without serious
impact analysis, reliable backups, multiple backups test, pre-prod-test
and re-qualification of all depending softwares.
So, if you look for a no-bug-automatically-upgradable database engine,
go to church and pray a lot… And play lottery, you have more chance of
winning there !
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07-09-2011, 05:07 PM
Hugo Vanwoerkom
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D G Teed wrote:
<snip>
Sorry, but your question seemed naive and still seems so. I was actually
hoping to hear my understanding of your concern was wrong.
There are thousands of web sites, big and small, using mysql and postgresql.
They all have bugs, just as any Linux or another other OS we choose has
bugs, some big, some small.
Oracle has bugs as well - some as serious as found in any major open source
database project.
This inability to install a database is not a real inability, but rather
an irrational choice. If mysql was seriously flawed, then it should
surely fall
apart under the weight of its use to power facebook.
If the facebook example seems like a one hit wonder, take a look at the
other
"customers" of mysql:
http://www.mysql.com/customers/
If stability is your concern, don't run with Sid. It is for development
work and
testing changes. People might run Sid on the desktop for getting slightly
later and greater packages, but Sid is not for production use.
I agree. I have been running mysql under Sid for years. Very satisfied.
Hugo
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