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Old 06-19-2011, 08:27 AM
Ralf Mardorf
 
Default debian-user-digest Digest V2011 #1176

> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > From: Ron Johnson
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: Re: HELP: Number of CPU cores is not right
> > Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:57:28 -0500

> >
> > Why 32? Well, it's a nice power of 2 and lots more than the number of
> > cores in 99.9999% of all computers.

Since I need to compile real-time kernels, I'm using configs from
default kernels as basic configuration, so I've seen lots of default
kernels configured with 64. I wonder if so many cores are useful, since
a lot of the hardware on a mobo still is very slow.

> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > From: Scott Ferguson
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: Re: Is there any valid reason to add a script that only
> > cause a PITA? Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2011 #1172
> > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:41:19 +1000

> > Tiny little companies like Industrial Light and Magic, Pixar, Disney,
> > Hanna Barbara, etc, etc....?

Non of this famous companies does NLE using Linux.
I guess if Pixar only would check emails with Linux, people would claim,
they would use Linux for NLE.
Please, check what they are using Linux for.

I can't remember what exactly BBC is using Linux for, since they program
apps for Linux video them self. But don't confuse little local TV
stations with big companies. In the real professional world of famous
studios no video studio and AFAIK even no audio studio (and I worked as
engineer for a famous company that worked for all famous audio and video
studios) is using Linux. For audio it might be possible, I'm not sure,
at least you won't use my machine for a famous, professional audio
studio, but for video you won't use any computer for NLE by Linux.
>
> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net>
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: CPU freq scaling script - Re: debian-user-digest Digest
> > V2011 #1175
> > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:44:44 +0200
> >
> > On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 23:50 +0000,
> > debian-user-digest-request@lists.debian.org wrote:
> > > On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 11:46:18 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > >
> > > (...)
> > >
> > > > I would welcome, if more people would use Linux instead of
> > > Microsoft and
> > > > Apple, at least for audio productions. I don't think it's
> > > possible to
> > > > use Linux for professional video productions at the moment.
> > > At least
> > > > some coders claim that it will take a long time until this
> > > will be
> > > > possible.
> > >
> > > That's an unbelievable claim.
> > >
> > > Most of the render farms and multimedia clusters are using
> > > linux not only
> > > to perform the intensive tasks but also in their workstations.
> >
> > That's not true. I worked for famous companies in the past, so not only
> > what by the Linux community is called 'professional', but what I call
> > 'real professional'. Anyway, I suspect that most people guess I'm a
> > troll, so don't believe me, but at least believe coders from the Linux
> > community and READ what they claim, e.g. read the LAU archive from this
> > month, mails such as this one:
> >
> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > From: Alexandre Prokoudine
> > To: linux-audio-user <linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
> > Subject: Re: [LAU] A3 video prev: syncing partially out of sync video
> > and audio in existing files
> > Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:06:16 +0400
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 8:49 AM, pshirkey wrote:
> >
> > > I can't see any other reasons for the major distros not to have a
> > fully
> > > working and well integrated multimedia productions suite by now.
> >
> > There's every single reason why it doesn't happen. But the ones that
> > define status quo the most are:
> >
> > 1. Fragmentation of efforts
> > 2. Lack of technically competent developers
> > 3. Lack of collaboration between projects
> > 4. Immature frameworks
> > 5. Lack of sustainable business models behind development
> >
> > I could write long explanation to each and every one of these points,
> > but maybe not at 1:04am. Especially since they don't need explanations
> > to anyone who's been around in free software world for long enough.
> >
> > > After all the tools are being used in one way or another by all the
> > > major motion picture houses these days and a lot of the development
> > > is being driven by industry requirements.
> >
> > Really? Yes, some of the largest studios such as Disney and Universal
> > actually use Linux (Red Hat) for animation, texturing and VFX. But
> > they don't use any of NLE for Linux. And do you now why?
> >
> > 1. They have workflows built around proprietary tools. Some studios
> > keep using goddamn unsupported Apple Shake for VFX simply because of
> > workflows.
> >
> > 2. The free NLEs are simply not stable enough for production.
> >
> > 3. Only two NLEs for Linux support higher than 8bit per color channel
> > pipelines. Of them Cinelerra is buggy as hell, and Blender has a very
> > naive color management. Would you really produce DPX out of clipped
> > data? Or lose time because of bugs? Really?
> >
> > > IMO, there is definitely something fishy going on.
> >
> > Yes, it's called "not being good enough".
> >
> > Alexandre Prokoudine
> > http://libregraphicsworld.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > Linux-audio-user mailing list
> > Linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org
> > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> >
> > >
> > > > Anyway, using audio is possible, but with many, many
> > > problems and those
> > > > problems should be eliminated.
> > >
> > > And the problem you refer can be eliminated within seconds...
> >
> > No, because the users aren't aware of the reason.
> > >
> > > > The more audio users, the more vendors of professional audio
> > > cards
> > > > would take care about Linux.
> > >
> > > What I still don't get is your interest in making a default
> > > setting to
> > > help only a limited set of users... Can you tell me why on
> > > earth a multi-
> > > purpose linux distribution (like Debian is) should focus in a
> > > specific
> > > area, like audio? You know, real-time kernels and tweaks for
> > > audio lovers
> > > are the opposite of what a plain server needs ;-)
> >
> > Servers are set up by computer experts, audio workstations have to be
> > pre-build tools.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ralf


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Old 06-19-2011, 10:49 AM
Lisi
 
Default debian-user-digest Digest V2011 #1176

On Sunday 19 June 2011 09:27:39 Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> > > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > > From: Scott Ferguson
> > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > > Subject: Re: Is there any valid reason to add a script that only
> > > cause a PITA? Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2011 #1172
> > > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:41:19 +1000
> > >
> > > Tiny little companies like Industrial Light and Magic, Pixar, Disney,
> > > Hanna Barbara, etc, etc....?
>
> Non of this famous companies does NLE using Linux.
> I guess if Pixar only would check emails with Linux

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/05/07/27/1551250/Disney-DreamWorks-Pixar-Go-Linux

> Please, check what they are using Linux for.

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/05/07/27/1551250/Disney-DreamWorks-Pixar-Go-Linux

Lisi


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Old 06-19-2011, 11:41 AM
Camaleón
 
Default debian-user-digest Digest V2011 #1176

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:27:39 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

Replying to digests does not work very well. Threads are broken and
"Subject" is lost :-(

>> > Tiny little companies like Industrial Light and Magic, Pixar, Disney,
>> > Hanna Barbara, etc, etc....?

Exactly :-)

> Non of this famous companies does NLE using Linux. I guess if Pixar only
> would check emails with Linux, people would claim, they would use Linux
> for NLE.
> Please, check what they are using Linux for.

Non-linear editors? Then you mean broadcasting companies?

> I can't remember what exactly BBC is using Linux for, since they program
> apps for Linux video them self. But don't confuse little local TV
> stations with big companies. In the real professional world of famous
> studios no video studio and AFAIK even no audio studio (and I worked as
> engineer for a famous company that worked for all famous audio and video
> studios) is using Linux. For audio it might be possible, I'm not sure,
> at least you won't use my machine for a famous, professional audio
> studio, but for video you won't use any computer for NLE by Linux.

Wait, wait, wait...

You are confusing the old-known argument of "there are not many
professional applications for linux at multimedia" -and I'll add that
there are neither for 3D CAD/CAM/CAE or web/graphic design- with "linux
kernel is not prepared for multimedia".

Of course we lack some of the professional tools that people is using in
windows or mac environments! Adobe does not make such products for linux.
Autodesk neither do (and I'm speaking about AutoCAD) and these are two of
the giants in their respective industries.

But I'd say this is a different problem. You convince them to package
their "master-pieces" of software to Linux/BSD and you're done, but this
has nothing to do with a kernel setting that handles the cpu frequency
>:-)

Greetings,

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