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Old 06-07-2011, 04:45 AM
Bret Busby
 
Default - unexpected issue with iso images

On Mon, 6 Jun 2011, William Hopkins wrote:


Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 22:01:15 -0400
From: William Hopkins <we.hopkins@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [Debian 6] - unexpected issue with iso images

On 06/07/11 at 09:27am, Bret Busby wrote:

Hello.

First thing - I think that it would be a good idea for each version
to have its own mailing list, with message prepending (in a form
such as the one above), so that users can easily identify messages
that apply to each user's particular appropriate version(s).


This is a user list, and I think it is best to have as many users as possible for broad support (:
Where would you go for 5-6 migration efforts, the 5 list or the 6 list? You would cc: both, no doubt.



Possibly, yes, but anyone using Debian 5 could avoid reading messages
that relate to a particular package in Debian 6, that might not be
applicable to Debian 5, and Debian 4 users likewise. I still have one
system running Debian 4, I think, and it would probably be too much
trouble to upgrade, so has been left until the computer dies (which may
be another decade or so - that computer, apart from a minor issue,
appears to be quite robust).



So, I have now downloaded copies of the 32 bit and 64 bit CD iso
images (for the first disk of each, only).


Why are you downloading both? Choose whichever is appropriate for you, and download that. I would posit that it's probably 32bit unless you have a specific need for the 64bit distribution (even if your CPU supports 64 bit).



32 bit for 32 bit CPU's with 2GB RAM, and 64 bit for 64 bit CPU's with
up to 8GB RA. I have both.



But, the concept here, is that, from my reasoning (and I stand to be
corrected in this, if I am wrong), a 32 bit operating system (or,
the Debian 5 32 bit "ix86" operating system, which is what I was
using to download the iso images), appears to have a maximum file
size of 4.0GB.


The file size limit is set by your filesystem. Which OS you're downloading has no bearing on it, but it does sound like you're hitting a limit. What OS are you currently *using*? I wasn't able to determine from your email. FAT32 has 4GB limits. Ext3 does not, regardless of architecture. I have a 32bit kernel and ext3 and I have many files >5GB



The OS that I am currently using, is stated in the paragrapgh that you
cited above.


The filesystem - "Ah, there's the rub"...

It hadn't occurred to me; I am using a USB external HDD to which I was
downloading the images - a Windows compatible storage device; hence....
FAT32 (I assume) ...


Now, if I had shifted some stuff from my computer HDD, and so freed up
some GB's of space, and downloaded it to there, I would have avoided
the issue.



But, if I am correct, perhaps, a warning to that effect, could be
put on the web page at http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/, to avoid
wastage of bandwidth (I have probably, now, downloaded about
20-30GB, to end up with two CD images, and, unusable partial DVD iso
images).


A warning about filesizes could probably be put there, but I am not the one to do it. Send that request to the debian-www list.


Now as for your issue. As stated on the first 'Getting Debian' page:

"If you simply want to install Debian and have an Internet connection on the target computer please consider the Network Install media which is a smaller download."



As said in my original posting, the optical drive in a new(ish) computer
was not recognised by the netinst image previously tried, so I reasoned
that the DVD iso image should contain drivers for the computer hardware,
so as to enable installation, which the netinst image would not allow.



Or download the CD image, instead of the DVD image. It sounds like whatever you've got doesn't support >4GB files.



Done that.

As I said previously, I have downloaded the two CD1 images. That is
included ion the text that you included above.




--
Liam



Thank you for the information about the FAT32 file size limit.

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you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
"The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
A Trilogy In Four Parts",
written by Douglas Adams,
published by Pan Books, 1992

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Old 06-07-2011, 08:29 AM
Lisi
 
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On Tuesday 07 June 2011 02:27:26 Bret Busby wrote:
> First thing - I think that it would be a good idea for each version to
> have its own mailing list,

Please, no! We can surely all benefit from the issues that people are having,
even in versions which we are not using? I know that I do. And although I
am currently using Lenny, I want to know about issues in Squeeze and Wheezy
for when I upgrade. Indeed, they can help me decide when to upgrade.

Not to mention the fact that some of us for one reason or another are using an
obsolute version (I had to recently for a course that I was doing.) An e.g.
Etch mailing list would have virtually no traffic, but by going to this more
general list, I was able to get help. And how many back mailing lists would
you keep? How far back would these separate lists go? Woody? Potato? the
beginning?

Lisi


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Old 06-07-2011, 10:35 AM
Brian
 
Default - unexpected issue with iso images

On Tue 07 Jun 2011 at 12:45:15 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:

> As said in my original posting, the optical drive in a new(ish) computer
> was not recognised by the netinst image previously tried, so I reasoned
> that the DVD iso image should contain drivers for the computer hardware,
> so as to enable installation, which the netinst image would not allow.

An incoreect assumtion. The official media do not contain non-free
material. However, in an endeavour to be helpful to users:

http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/


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Old 06-07-2011, 06:29 PM
Bret Busby
 
Default - unexpected issue with iso images

On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Brian wrote:


Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 11:35:55 +0100
From: Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [Debian 6] - unexpected issue with iso images
Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:51:17 +0000 (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org

On Tue 07 Jun 2011 at 12:45:15 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:


As said in my original posting, the optical drive in a new(ish) computer
was not recognised by the netinst image previously tried, so I reasoned
that the DVD iso image should contain drivers for the computer hardware,
so as to enable installation, which the netinst image would not allow.


An incoreect assumtion. The official media do not contain non-free
material. However, in an endeavour to be helpful to users:

http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/





Thank you for that.

I was not previously aware of that provision.

On the web page, it is not stated, but, do we assume that the version
there (only one CD version is listed), is the ix86 version?


Thank you in anticipation.

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Armadale
West Australia
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"So once you do know what the question actually is,
you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
"The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
A Trilogy In Four Parts",
written by Douglas Adams,
published by Pan Books, 1992

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Old 06-07-2011, 07:05 PM
Bret Busby
 
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On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Bret Busby wrote:



On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Brian wrote:


Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 11:35:55 +0100
From: Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [Debian 6] - unexpected issue with iso images
Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:51:17 +0000 (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org

On Tue 07 Jun 2011 at 12:45:15 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:


As said in my original posting, the optical drive in a new(ish) computer
was not recognised by the netinst image previously tried, so I reasoned
that the DVD iso image should contain drivers for the computer hardware,
so as to enable installation, which the netinst image would not allow.


An incoreect assumtion. The official media do not contain non-free
material. However, in an endeavour to be helpful to users:

http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/





Thank you for that.

I was not previously aware of that provision.

On the web page, it is not stated, but, do we assume that the version there
(only one CD version is listed), is the ix86 version?




I figured that one out.

In clicking on the link, I went to another web page, that listed a
version for each of

amd64
ix86
multiarch
powerpc

So, that question is answered.

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Armadale
West Australia
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"So once you do know what the question actually is,
you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
"The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
A Trilogy In Four Parts",
written by Douglas Adams,
published by Pan Books, 1992

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Old 06-07-2011, 07:44 PM
Freeman
 
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On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 09:29:31AM +0100, Lisi wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 June 2011 02:27:26 Bret Busby wrote:
> > First thing - I think that it would be a good idea for each version to
> > have its own mailing list,
>
> Please, no! We can surely all benefit from the issues that people are having,
> even in versions which we are not using? I know that I do. And although I
> am currently using Lenny, I want to know about issues in Squeeze and Wheezy
> for when I upgrade. Indeed, they can help me decide when to upgrade.
>
> Not to mention the fact that some of us for one reason or another are using an
> obsolute version (I had to recently for a course that I was doing.) An e.g.
> Etch mailing list would have virtually no traffic, but by going to this more
> general list, I was able to get help. And how many back mailing lists would
> you keep? How far back would these separate lists go? Woody? Potato? the
> beginning?
>

Not to mention the test posts and subscription issues and the arduous and
redundant associated threads that would plague the newest list for at least
a year every alternate year.

And to which list would users post OT? They'd be forced to use
D-community-offtopic!

Moreover, to which would Ubuntu users post? They'd have to figure the
closest equivalent release. But they might get frustrated and forgo
posting.

Wait a minute . . .

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Freeman

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answer." --Somebody


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