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Old 02-10-2008, 04:49 PM
"Dennis G. Wicks"
 
Default How do I upgrade to sid?

IIRC somebody said they were running sid and had no
problems with Iceweasel so I'm thinking that upgrading
might be the answer to my problems.

How do I do it? Is it as easy as

aptitude dist-upgrade ??

What do I have to change to get to sid instead of etch?

TIA for any help!
Dennis


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Old 02-10-2008, 05:03 PM
"Javier Vasquez"
 
Default How do I upgrade to sid?

On 2/10/08, Dennis G. Wicks <wix@eskimo.com> wrote:
> IIRC somebody said they were running sid and had no
> problems with Iceweasel so I'm thinking that upgrading
> might be the answer to my problems.

I'm not aware of your problems, but I'm not sure if you left them
unresolved on testing or stable, you'll get them resolved in
unstable...

> How do I do it? Is it as easy as

1st you must edit your apt sources, so that you remove any reference
to etch, and include references for sid or unstable. As sid is pretty
dynamic by nature, using unstable instead of sid doesn't make a
difference when the distribution changes from one version to the
other, so I've always used unstable...

Then the rest is kind of recipy for upgrading:
-- aptitude clean
-- aptitude update
-- aptitude safe-upgrade
-- aptitude full-upgrade

You can replace the "aptitude" command by corresponding "apt-get"
ones. You better have a satisfactory result from each step before
moving to the next.

However, do this only if you're able to spent considerable amount of
time in case of substantial changes in configurations, dependencies,
and other stuff. As I said, just plain change of version might NOT
solve your problems at all, but I'm not able to judge that...

> aptitude dist-upgrade ??

I thought dist-upgrade was depredicated from aptitude, but it should
be equivalente to full-upgrade. See above...

> What do I have to change to get to sid instead of etch?
>
> TIA for any help!
> Dennis


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Old 02-10-2008, 05:45 PM
Jochen Schulz
 
Default How do I upgrade to sid?

Dennis G. Wicks:
>
> IIRC somebody said they were running sid and had no
> problems with Iceweasel so I'm thinking that upgrading
> might be the answer to my problems.

It may be the answer, but upgrading to sid will pose a whole lot of new
questions. If you don't know how to upgrade, you probably aren't ready
to deal with the kind of problems sid will bring.

> How do I do it? Is it as easy as
>
> aptitude dist-upgrade ??

No, you have to add sid to your sources.list.

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Old 02-10-2008, 07:24 PM
Martin Mewes
 
Default How do I upgrade to sid?

Hello,

Javier Vasquez schrieb:


Then the rest is kind of recipy for upgrading:
-- aptitude clean
-- aptitude update
-- aptitude safe-upgrade
-- aptitude full-upgrade


If _I_ do this nearly the complete system would be erased when I
_would_ answer "Y" in the end. Just my 2 cents ...

bis dahin

Martin Mewes

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Old 02-10-2008, 08:13 PM
"Javier Vasquez"
 
Default How do I upgrade to sid?

On 2/10/08, Martin Mewes <macmewes@gmx.de> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Javier Vasquez schrieb:
>
> > Then the rest is kind of recipy for upgrading:
> > -- aptitude clean
> > -- aptitude update
> > -- aptitude safe-upgrade
> > -- aptitude full-upgrade
>
> If _I_ do this nearly the complete system would be erased when I
> _would_ answer "Y" in the end. Just my 2 cents ...
>
> bis dahin
>
> Martin Mewes


Well, aptitude is pretty good at managing upgrades. But I agree, most
of the software will be replaced by saying yes to the 1st
"safe-upgrade", however my experience is that if one is used to deal
with dependency problems and the like, that should not be a reason to
be scared. When "safe-upgrade" finds dependencies problems it won't
upgrade, and
it'll leave the upgrade to "full-upgrade".

I suggest as well, having several iterations of "safe-upgrade" if
you're using an old aptitude, before the "full-upgrade" until there's
nothing else the "safe-upgrade" can deal with... I haven't found the
iterations necessary anymore, but I use the latest version under
unstable, .

It might be useful to also remove (purge if necessary) big packages
which dependencies are hard to deal with, and of course, it's better
if everything is done under console (no X)...

Beyond that, and some research, only experience will tell...

My last suggestion (which I did NOT follow due to lack of time and
disk space), make a separate partition, and try a n-boot (I can't say
for sure dual for sure) system. Start the trial one with stable, then
move to testing, and finally move to unstable with light environment
(include X though, since along the way there are pertinent changes to
be considered). At the end if everything goes OK, then whether remove
the original partition after moving the date to the unstable one, or
upgrade the original one with a bit more of experience, . I said
partition, but it might actually be a logical volume if you'd like...

Again, before such a move, I'd look at what seems to be wrong in the
current version, to see if it's due to just a particular package
version. If so, I'd rather use backPorts, or install from upstream
the source and compile it myself, well that if I'm confortable with
the current version I work under, and the movement souds too risky.
There are always different alternatives to solve a single problem, .


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Old 02-10-2008, 08:51 PM
Jochen Schulz
 
Default How do I upgrade to sid?

Martin Mewes:
> Javier Vasquez schrieb:
>
>> Then the rest is kind of recipy for upgrading:
>> -- aptitude clean
>> -- aptitude update
>> -- aptitude safe-upgrade
>> -- aptitude full-upgrade
>
> If _I_ do this nearly the complete system would be erased when I
> _would_ answer "Y" in the end. Just my 2 cents ...

I guess the reason is that you have never really used aptitude. Aptitude
distinguishes two different states of installed packages: automatically
and manually installed. When beginning to use aptitude, it will in many
cases assume all or most packages have been installed automatically
(pulled in as a dependency of another package). And if no manually
installed package depends on a package aptitude thinks has been
automatically installed, it will remove it. That's one of aptitude's
best features.

On the other hand, this is the biggest hurdle when starting to use
aptitude and yes, it's a real pain for users who never installed from
scratch since sarge (or didn't bother to follow the release note's
advice to use aptitude after installation).

Anyway, everyone who thinks he is able to handle sid should be able to
a) read what a package manager is about to do and b) find out by himself
how to upgrade to sid.

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Old 02-11-2008, 06:33 PM
Joe
 
Default How do I upgrade to sid?

Jochen Schulz wrote:

Dennis G. Wicks:

IIRC somebody said they were running sid and had no
problems with Iceweasel so I'm thinking that upgrading
might be the answer to my problems.


It may be the answer, but upgrading to sid will pose a whole lot of new
questions. If you don't know how to upgrade, you probably aren't ready
to deal with the kind of problems sid will bring.



I'll second that. My Iceweasel isn't opening for links from Icedove, and
I've just had to switch to cifs as the new kernel doesn't do smbfs and
I've now got a gdm segfault and the dreaded CIFS-VFS shutdown hang, so I
can't just click the box and walk away any more.


Sid is fairly civilised most of the time, but when it bites, you
certainly know about it.



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Old 02-14-2008, 09:45 AM
Andrei Popescu
 
Default How do I upgrade to sid?

On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 07:33:34PM +0000, Joe wrote:
> Jochen Schulz wrote:
>> Dennis G. Wicks:
>>> IIRC somebody said they were running sid and had no
>>> problems with Iceweasel so I'm thinking that upgrading
>>> might be the answer to my problems.
>>
>> It may be the answer, but upgrading to sid will pose a whole lot of new
>> questions. If you don't know how to upgrade, you probably aren't ready
>> to deal with the kind of problems sid will bring.
>>
>
> I'll second that. My Iceweasel isn't opening for links from Icedove, and
> I've just had to switch to cifs as the new kernel doesn't do smbfs and I've
> now got a gdm segfault and the dreaded CIFS-VFS shutdown hang, so I can't
> just click the box and walk away any more.

I had to put libqt3-mt on hold due to #465028. Ktorrent wouldn't start
anymore and I read other KDE apps are affected (ex. k3b).

Regards,
Andrei
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