Graphics - Radeon HD 5000 lock-ups

04-01-2011, 02:57 PM

Hi,

I've been using a Radeon HD 5000 Graphics card with fglrx (see below). I have
frequent lock-ups in Squeeze.

I'm looking for an inexpensive alternative, does anyone have any experience
with the GeForce 8400GS?

Thanks,

C

01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc Manhattan HDMI Audio [Mobility
Radeon HD 5000 Series]

ii fglrx-atieventsd 1:10-9-3
external events daemon for the non-free AMD/ATI r6xx - r7xx display driver
ii fglrx-control 1:10-9-3
control panel for the non-free AMD/ATI r5xx, r6xx, r7xx display driver
ii fglrx-driver 1:10-9-3
non-free AMD/ATI r6xx - r7xx display driver
ii fglrx-glx 1:10-9-3
proprietary libGL for the non-free AMD/ATI r6xx - r7xx display driver
ii fglrx-glx-ia32 1:10-9-3
proprietary libGL for the non-free AMD/ATI display driver (ia32 libs)
ii fglrx-modules-dkms 1:10-9-3
dkms module source for the non-free AMD/ATI r6xx - r7xx display driver
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04-01-2011, 03:48 PM

Nowadays (since kernel 2.6.38) the Radeon HD 5000 is also supported by the open
source driver radeon.
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04-01-2011, 03:51 PM

On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:57:19 +0200, C. Hurschler wrote:

> I've been using a Radeon HD 5000 Graphics card with fglrx (see below).
> I have frequent lock-ups in Squeeze.

Have you tried another driver (for example, "radeon" or an updated
version of Catalyst -now is 11.3-)?

You can make further tests before dropping the card (review the logs for
any specific error, disable desktop effects...).

> I'm looking for an inexpensive alternative, does anyone have any
> experience with the GeForce 8400GS?

Not with that model, but I've had only good experiences with nvidia's:
7600GS (ok), quadro fx 1500 (ok), quadro nvs 440 (ok).

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04-01-2011, 04:30 PM

On Friday 01 April 2011, Camaleón wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:57:19 +0200, C. Hurschler wrote:
> > I've been using a Radeon HD 5000 Graphics card with fglrx (see below).
> > I have frequent lock-ups in Squeeze.
>

BTW the card seems to be a "Cedar PRO [Radeon HD 5450]"

> Have you tried another driver (for example, "radeon" or an updated
> version of Catalyst -now is 11.3-)?

I've tried radeon, but strangely I can't ctrl-alt-F1 to console with it.... I
don't think compositing worked either, but I can't remember for sure.

fglrx-driver is at 1:10-9-3 in Squeeze, 11.3 does not seem to be in squeeze-
backports.

>
> You can make further tests before dropping the card (review the logs for
> any specific error, disable desktop effects...).

3D and compositing work, but compositing is always turned off again on reboot.
Otherwise I haven't noticed anything except for the freezing. The symptoms
are lots of green dots superimposed on the screen and I am no longer able to
return to console. I have not tried ssh'ing in to restart X, so I don't know
if the system is really totally hung.

>
> > I'm looking for an inexpensive alternative, does anyone have any
> > experience with the GeForce 8400GS?
>
> Not with that model, but I've had only good experiences with nvidia's:
> 7600GS (ok), quadro fx 1500 (ok), quadro nvs 440 (ok).

ok, thanks.

>
> Greetings,

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04-01-2011, 04:49 PM

On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 18:30:28 +0200, C. Hurschler wrote:

> On Friday 01 April 2011, Camaleón wrote:

> BTW the card seems to be a "Cedar PRO [Radeon HD 5450]"
>
>> Have you tried another driver (for example, "radeon" or an updated
>> version of Catalyst -now is 11.3-)?
>
> I've tried radeon, but strangely I can't ctrl-alt-F1 to console with
> it....

What happens when you press that combo? Nothing, black/blank screen? Can
you jump to another tty (2,3,4,5...)?

> I don't think compositing worked either, but I can't remember
> for sure.

It should work, "radeon" is one of the most advanced open drivers for
this task (3D accleration/openGL) :-)

If you want to give a second chance to radeon driver (I'd do), just
upload your full "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" file to "www.pastebin.com" so
people here can review it.

> fglrx-driver is at 1:10-9-3 in Squeeze, 11.3 does not seem to be in
> squeeze- backports.

(...)

You can always get the updated closed source driver directly from AMD
site. You will have to recompile by yourself if the kernel gets updated,
though.

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04-02-2011, 12:23 AM

On 04/01/2011 09:57 AM, C. Hurschler wrote:

Hi,

I'm looking for an inexpensive alternative, does anyone have any experience
with the GeForce 8400GS?

I put a fanless 8400GS in my wife/kids' PC. It's cheap, handles compiz
just fine and playing videos with mplayer consumes an unmeasurable
amount of CPU when playing videos when hooked into the vdpau libraries.

(I just got the GeForce 210 and notice that it's about 40% faster than
the 8400GS while running about 5C cooler.)

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04-02-2011, 12:25 PM

On Saturday 02 April 2011, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 04/01/2011 09:57 AM, C. Hurschler wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm looking for an inexpensive alternative, does anyone have any
> > experience with the GeForce 8400GS?
>
> I put a fanless 8400GS in my wife/kids' PC. It's cheap, handles compiz
> just fine and playing videos with mplayer consumes an unmeasurable
> amount of CPU when playing videos when hooked into the vdpau libraries.
>
> (I just got the GeForce 210 and notice that it's about 40% faster than
> the 8400GS while running about 5C cooler.)

Thanks for the feedback, this is the kind of thing one never finds on the
compatibility lists. I myself am looking for a passively cooled card that can
do compositing and 3D for purposes of googl-earth (no gaming), and last but
not least be able to play DVDs without hanging.

C

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04-02-2011, 12:31 PM

On Friday 01 April 2011, Camaleón wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 18:30:28 +0200, C. Hurschler wrote:
> > On Friday 01 April 2011, Camaleón wrote:
> >
> > BTW the card seems to be a "Cedar PRO [Radeon HD 5450]"
> >
> >> Have you tried another driver (for example, "radeon" or an updated
> >> version of Catalyst -now is 11.3-)?
> >
> > I've tried radeon, but strangely I can't ctrl-alt-F1 to console with
> > it....
>
> What happens when you press that combo? Nothing, black/blank screen? Can
> you jump to another tty (2,3,4,5...)?
>
> > I don't think compositing worked either, but I can't remember
> > for sure.
>
> It should work, "radeon" is one of the most advanced open drivers for
> this task (3D accleration/openGL) :-)

it doesn't. I'll post the log files and a better description as soon as I have
the time.

>
> If you want to give a second chance to radeon driver (I'd do), just
> upload your full "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" file to "www.pastebin.com" so
> people here can review it.
>
> > fglrx-driver is at 1:10-9-3 in Squeeze, 11.3 does not seem to be in
> > squeeze- backports.
>
> (...)
>
> You can always get the updated closed source driver directly from AMD
> site. You will have to recompile by yourself if the kernel gets updated,
> though.

I use Debian Stable because I don't want to waste my time compiling stuff.
That worked well in Lenny with debian-multimedia and lenny-backports. Squeeze
is IMHO nowhere near as close to being a production desktop system as Lenny
was, but my impression might be biased by the problems I am having with my
Radeon card...

>
> Greetings,

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04-02-2011, 01:18 PM

On 04/02/2011 07:25 AM, C. Hurschler wrote:

On Saturday 02 April 2011, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 04/01/2011 09:57 AM, C. Hurschler wrote:

Hi,

I'm looking for an inexpensive alternative, does anyone have any
experience with the GeForce 8400GS?

I put a fanless 8400GS in my wife/kids' PC. It's cheap, handles compiz
just fine and playing videos with mplayer consumes an unmeasurable
amount of CPU when playing videos when hooked into the vdpau libraries.

(I just got the GeForce 210 and notice that it's about 40% faster than
the 8400GS while running about 5C cooler.)

Thanks for the feedback, this is the kind of thing one never finds on the
compatibility lists. I myself am looking for a passively cooled card that can
do compositing and 3D for purposes of googl-earth (no gaming), and last but
not least be able to play DVDs without hanging.

I added this to the bottom of the /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf :
include = /etc/mplayer/site.specific

In that file are the two lines:
vo=vdpau,xv,
vc=ffmpeg12vdpau,ffwmv3vdpau,ffvc1vdpau,ffh264vdpa u,ffodivxvdpau,

Note the trailing commas. They make mplayer fallback to built-in code
if those libraries aren't installed.

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04-03-2011, 08:30 AM

On Friday 01 April 2011, Camaleón wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 18:30:28 +0200, C. Hurschler wrote:
> > On Friday 01 April 2011, Camaleón wrote:
> >
> > BTW the card seems to be a "Cedar PRO [Radeon HD 5450]"
> >
> >> Have you tried another driver (for example, "radeon" or an updated
> >> version of Catalyst -now is 11.3-)?
> >
> > I've tried radeon, but strangely I can't ctrl-alt-F1 to console with
> > it....
>
> What happens when you press that combo? Nothing, black/blank screen? Can
> you jump to another tty (2,3,4,5...)?
>
> > I don't think compositing worked either, but I can't remember
> > for sure.
>
> It should work, "radeon" is one of the most advanced open drivers for
> this task (3D accleration/openGL) :-)
>
> If you want to give a second chance to radeon driver (I'd do), just
> upload your full "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" file to "www.pastebin.com" so
> people here can review it.
>

radeon - Using the radeon driver (no xorg.conf, default installation):

http://pastebin.com/B34BSsQJ

Symptoms: cannot change to console Ctrl-Alt-F1 etc. The screen is blank and
the monitor is put in sleep mode (!). KDE System-Settings

esktop crashes
every time without exception.

fglrx - Using Squeeze packages and xorg.conf generated by aticonfig

http://pastebin.com/Z6x9LthQ

Symptoms: compositing works, 3D works (googl-earth). Compositing gets turned
off regularly, perhaps on logon by some process that I don't know and that no
one tells me about (this reminds me of windows). Regular lock-ups with green
radom fluttering pixelation on the whole screen. Otherwise normal behavior.

Summary: I hope this information helps someone. The on-board Graphics chip I
have (ATI) is too old for fglrx in Squeeze, and also does not work properly
with radeon in Squeeze (Lenny fglrx worked well). Thats what motivated me to
try the passive HD 5040 card.

Thanks for your help,

C

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