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Old 12-21-2010, 01:18 AM
Jim Pazarena
 
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what possessed the debian people to tack names on to the OS?
having actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer.
And there does appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the
goofy naming system which throws the novice?
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Old 12-21-2010, 01:45 AM
Jerome BENOIT
 
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Hi ,

On 21/12/10 10:18, Jim Pazarena wrote:

what possessed the debian people to tack names on to the OS?
having actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer.
And there does appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the
goofy naming system which throws the novice?


do you really think that novices are lost with `goofy name' (as you said) rather than version number ?
Novices are generally lost with version numbers.

Jerome


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Old 12-21-2010, 01:51 AM
Bob Proulx
 
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Jim Pazarena wrote:
> what possessed the debian people to tack names on to the OS?

It isn't just Debian. Most of the software distributions use names
for their releases *in addition to* the version numbering just like
Debian does. Debian isn't unique here. Just like car companies name
their car models too. People tend to relate better to things with
names than to numbers.

Additionally in Debian the release number doesn't really figure into
package upgrades. It doesn't matter that Lenny is 5 and Squeeze is 6
because the upgrade happens at the package level and every package has
its own version number. The number of the release is relatively
insignificant.

The developers have tried different release patterns in the past.
They keep discussing new patterns for the future on debian-devel. But
so far no one has really come up with a perfect release process.

> having actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer.
> And there does appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the
> goofy naming system which throws the novice?

In my experience it is the opposite. Novices get lost with all of the
numbers, numbers, numbers but relate better to named things.

Bob
 
Old 12-21-2010, 01:57 AM
John Hasler
 
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Jim Pazarena wrote:
> what possessed the debian people to tack names on to the OS? having
> actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer. And there does
> appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the goofy naming system
> which throws the novice?

This was all fought out on debian-devel many years ago. No point in
bringing it up now. All the discussion is in the archive. I suggest
that you don't read it.
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Old 12-21-2010, 03:33 AM
 
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Jim Pazarena said:

what possessed the debian people to tack names on to the OS?
having actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer.
And there does appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the
goofy naming system which throws the novice?

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Yeah, were completely going out on a limb there...


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Old 12-21-2010, 03:45 AM
Petrus Validus
 
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On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 18:18 -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote:
> what possessed the debian people to tack names on to the OS?
> having actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer.
> And there does appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the
> goofy naming system which throws the novice?

Don't forget Apple's OS X:

Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, etc...
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Old 12-21-2010, 04:44 AM
Justin The Cynical
 
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On 12/20/2010 20:45, Petrus Validus wrote:

On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 18:18 -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote:

what possessed the debian people to tack names on to the OS?
having actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer.
And there does appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the
goofy naming system which throws the novice?


Don't forget Apple's OS X:

Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, etc...


Or Microsoft with longhorn, blackcomb, mantis, and so on.

Heck, for that matter, Linus named one of the kernel releases something
along the lines of 'rabid badger' (it was in the readme, wish I had kept
it as I can't find any reference to it now).



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Old 12-21-2010, 08:27 AM
Klistvud
 
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Dne, 21. 12. 2010 03:45:51 je Jerome BENOIT napisal(a):

Hi ,

On 21/12/10 10:18, Jim Pazarena wrote:

what possessed the debian people to tack names on to the OS?
having actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer.
And there does appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the
goofy naming system which throws the novice?


do you really think that novices are lost with `goofy name' (as you
said) rather than version number ?

Novices are generally lost with version numbers.

Jerome


Well, novices that can get confused by such simple stuff as version
numbers, or goofy names, should seriously reconsider whether Debian is
the right distribution for them IMHO. Or else get ready for an uphill
struggle, where distro names will be the least of their problems.


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Old 12-21-2010, 10:54 AM
Claudius Hubig
 
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Justin The Cynical <cynical@penguinness.org> wrote:
>On 12/20/2010 20:45, Petrus Validus wrote:
>> On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 18:18 -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote:
>>> what possessed the debian people to tack names on to the OS?
>>> having actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer.
>>> And there does appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the
>>> goofy naming system which throws the novice?
>>
>> Don't forget Apple's OS X:
>>
>> Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, etc...
>
>Or Microsoft with longhorn, blackcomb, mantis, and so on.
>
>Heck, for that matter, Linus named one of the kernel releases something along the lines of 'rabid badger' (it was in the readme, wish I had kept it as I can't find any reference to it now).

Try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names

However, these names are negligible compared to Pan:

http://pan.rebelbase.com/

How about Release 0.105: "When Churchill opened the door, it was a new car, a
Chevrolet Nova."?

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Old 12-21-2010, 11:57 AM
Camaleón
 
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 18:18:37 -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote:

> what possessed the debian people to tack names on to the OS? having
> actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer. And there does
> appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the goofy naming system
> which throws the novice?

I like the codename (besides the release number), looks like a more
personal way to designate your beloved system. Numbers remind me
Cylons... and even Cylons have a name ;-)

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