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Old 11-13-2010, 04:31 PM
Mark Goldshtein
 
Default Squeeze. Weekly Build CD installer 2010-11-08 is endlessly seeking a non-free firmware on fd0.

Hello, list!

Have tried to install Debian Squeeze (weekly builds 2010-11-08) on a
laptop with Intel 2100 Wifi card. Card's firmware is packed into
native debianic non-free tarball. As explained here:
http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200, it is enough to supply the tarball to
the running installer on any removable media mentioned. But the
installer first seek for fd0 floppy and seek forever, endlessly
educating me about FAT16 file system, dangerous uppercase names and
related troubles, as I have noticed at hidden F4 console. No single
warning sign, progress bar or other useful info on a current active
screen. As a countermeasure, I have searched my pockets, found USB
floppy drive and wrote floppy diskette, plugged that into laptop but
installer continue its tries for ghost fd0 and does not react on other
removable media inserted in all sockets and holes.
If you, please, help me to find a workaround to subdue that bad robot?
Maybe it is possible to implant the firmware into installer ISO?
And no, I cannot install using a netinstall image, because the
installer does not support WPA and even if we will resolve firmware
situation, the installation will not continue anyway.

A bit of offtopic, sorry. Dear Debian Team, would you, please, to pay
attention to the installer first? Let us find and pin up bugs, post
wise comments, suggest features, analyze patches, flood up the mailing
lists _after_ the system being installed. Isn't it an installer a
thing that has to be polished first?
In addition, it seems to be useful to inform a human side of the
installation process what currently is going on in any situation, not
success stories only.

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Old 11-14-2010, 02:56 PM
Camaleón
 
Default Squeeze. Weekly Build CD installer 2010-11-08 is endlessly seeking a non-free firmware on fd0.

On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:31:37 +0300, Mark Goldshtein wrote:

> Have tried to install Debian Squeeze (weekly builds 2010-11-08) on a
> laptop with Intel 2100 Wifi card. Card's firmware is packed into native
> debianic non-free tarball. As explained here:
> http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200, it is enough to supply the tarball to
> the running installer on any removable media mentioned. But the
> installer first seek for fd0 floppy and seek forever, endlessly
> educating me about FAT16 file system, dangerous uppercase names and
> related troubles, as I have noticed at hidden F4 console. No single
> warning sign, progress bar or other useful info on a current active
> screen. As a countermeasure, I have searched my pockets, found USB
> floppy drive and wrote floppy diskette, plugged that into laptop but
> installer continue its tries for ghost fd0 and does not react on other
> removable media inserted in all sockets and holes. If you, please, help
> me to find a workaround to subdue that bad robot? Maybe it is possible
> to implant the firmware into installer ISO? And no, I cannot install
> using a netinstall image, because the installer does not support WPA and
> even if we will resolve firmware situation, the installation will not
> continue anyway.

It should work. Or at least it is documented to do it so:

6.4. Loading Missing Firmware
http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch06s04.html

Did you try by putting the firmware into USB stick (not floppy)?

> A bit of offtopic, sorry. Dear Debian Team, would you, please, to pay
> attention to the installer first? Let us find and pin up bugs, post wise
> comments, suggest features, analyze patches, flood up the mailing lists
> _after_ the system being installed. Isn't it an installer a thing that
> has to be polished first?

I've found some "issues" (let's say that way) in Debian installer for
both, Lenny and Squeeze. For lenny it was impossible to get GRUB legacy
installed and Squeeze was having some trouble with filesystem formatting
options (already corrected, I guess).

> In addition, it seems to be useful to inform a human side of the
> installation process what currently is going on in any situation, not
> success stories only.

Jumping to tty console where messages are being logged is the common way
for debugging problems, at least for an expert installation. You can also
save the log for later review. Nevertheless, being a bit more verbose in
ncurses GUI should not hurt :-)

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Old 11-15-2010, 09:00 AM
Mark Goldshtein
 
Default Squeeze. Weekly Build CD installer 2010-11-08 is endlessly seeking a non-free firmware on fd0.

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:31:37 +0300, Mark Goldshtein wrote:
>
>> Have tried to install Debian Squeeze (weekly builds 2010-11-08) on a
>> laptop with Intel 2100 Wifi card. Card's firmware is packed into native
>> debianic non-free tarball. *As explained here:
>> http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200, it is enough to supply the tarball to
>> the running installer on any removable media mentioned. But the
>> installer first seek for fd0 floppy and seek forever, endlessly
>> educating me about FAT16 file system, dangerous uppercase names and
>> related troubles, as I have noticed at hidden F4 console. No single
>> warning sign, progress bar or other useful info on a current active
>> screen. As a countermeasure, I have searched my pockets, found USB
>> floppy drive and wrote floppy diskette, plugged that into laptop but
>> installer continue its tries for ghost fd0 and does not react on other
>> removable media inserted in all sockets and holes. If you, please, help
>> me to find a workaround to subdue that bad robot? Maybe it is possible
>> to implant the firmware into installer ISO? And no, I cannot install
>> using a netinstall image, because the installer does not support WPA and
>> even if we will resolve firmware situation, the installation will not
>> continue anyway.
>
> It should work. Or at least it is documented to do it so:
>
> 6.4. Loading Missing Firmware
> http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch06s04.html
>
> Did you try by putting the firmware into USB stick (not floppy)?

Yes, I did. It does not see the firmware on USB stick, looking on fd0
instead (or first, probably). Have tried tarball, firmware file
itself, etc.

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Old 11-15-2010, 10:51 AM
Camaleón
 
Default Squeeze. Weekly Build CD installer 2010-11-08 is endlessly seeking a non-free firmware on fd0.

On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:00:04 +0300, Mark Goldshtein wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:31:37 +0300, Mark Goldshtein wrote:
>>
>>> Have tried to install Debian Squeeze (weekly builds 2010-11-08) on a
>>> laptop with Intel 2100 Wifi card. Card's firmware is packed into
>>> native debianic non-free tarball. *As explained here:
>>> http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200, it is enough to supply the tarball to
>>> the running installer on any removable media mentioned. But the
>>> installer first seek for fd0 floppy and seek forever, endlessly
>>> educating me about FAT16 file system, dangerous uppercase names and
>>> related troubles, as I have noticed at hidden F4 console. No single
>>> warning sign, progress bar or other useful info on a current active
>>> screen. As a countermeasure, I have searched my pockets, found USB
>>> floppy drive and wrote floppy diskette, plugged that into laptop but
>>> installer continue its tries for ghost fd0 and does not react on other
>>> removable media inserted in all sockets and holes. If you, please,
>>> help me to find a workaround to subdue that bad robot? Maybe it is
>>> possible to implant the firmware into installer ISO? And no, I cannot
>>> install using a netinstall image, because the installer does not
>>> support WPA and even if we will resolve firmware situation, the
>>> installation will not continue anyway.
>>
>> It should work. Or at least it is documented to do it so:
>>
>> 6.4. Loading Missing Firmware
>> http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch06s04.html
>>
>> Did you try by putting the firmware into USB stick (not floppy)?
>
> Yes, I did. It does not see the firmware on USB stick, looking on fd0
> instead (or first, probably). Have tried tarball, firmware file itself,
> etc.

How bad (and strange nobody noticed) ;-(

Maybe you can use the pressed option (I've never tried before, just know
it exists) or you can try with something like that:

Netbooting and Firmware
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware

Anyway... I just have noted that you wanted to use WPA and only WEP
encryption is available at install time.

Greetings,

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Old 11-17-2010, 07:45 PM
Mark Goldshtein
 
Default Squeeze. Weekly Build CD installer 2010-11-08 is endlessly seeking a non-free firmware on fd0.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:00:04 +0300, Mark Goldshtein wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Camaleón wrote:
>>> On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:31:37 +0300, Mark Goldshtein wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have tried to install Debian Squeeze (weekly builds 2010-11-08) on a
>>>> laptop with Intel 2100 Wifi card. Card's firmware is packed into
>>>> native debianic non-free tarball. *As explained here:
>>>> http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200, it is enough to supply the tarball to
>>>> the running installer on any removable media mentioned. But the
>>>> installer first seek for fd0 floppy and seek forever, endlessly
>>>> educating me about FAT16 file system, dangerous uppercase names and
>>>> related troubles, as I have noticed at hidden F4 console. No single
>>>> warning sign, progress bar or other useful info on a current active
>>>> screen. As a countermeasure, I have searched my pockets, found USB
>>>> floppy drive and wrote floppy diskette, plugged that into laptop but
>>>> installer continue its tries for ghost fd0 and does not react on other
>>>> removable media inserted in all sockets and holes. If you, please,
>>>> help me to find a workaround to subdue that bad robot? Maybe it is
>>>> possible to implant the firmware into installer ISO? And no, I cannot
>>>> install using a netinstall image, because the installer does not
>>>> support WPA and even if we will resolve firmware situation, the
>>>> installation will not continue anyway.
>>>
>>> It should work. Or at least it is documented to do it so:
>>>
>>> 6.4. Loading Missing Firmware
>>> http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch06s04.html
>>>
>>> Did you try by putting the firmware into USB stick (not floppy)?
>>
>> Yes, I did. It does not see the firmware on USB stick, looking on fd0
>> instead (or first, probably). Have tried tarball, firmware file itself,
>> etc.
>
> How bad (and strange nobody noticed) ;-(
>
First, thanks for you time, Camaleón!

Fortunately, I have installed Squeeze from weekly build 2010-11-15 DVD
on my IBM TP R40. This time, after a pause and silent gray screen, d-i
got the Intel firmware from USB stick and finally slept through.
Thank god, I finally killed that Ubuntu bugware, which is endlessly
warm up laptop hard drive.

Squeeze installation log is attached, just in case. There is a lot of
fd0 again, closer to the end.

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Mark Goldshtein
 

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