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Old 11-05-2010, 01:50 AM
ZephyrQ
 
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If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid),
which other distribution would you use and why?


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Old 11-05-2010, 02:16 AM
Bob Proulx
 
Default A question for the list:

ZephyrQ wrote:
> If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid),
> which other distribution would you use and why?

If Debian didn't exist it would be necessary to invent it.

Bob
 
Old 11-05-2010, 04:11 AM
Doug
 
Default A question for the list:

On 11/04/2010 10:50 PM, ZephyrQ wrote:

If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid),
which other distribution would you use and why?


If I wanted the Debian style without Debian, I would use Ubuntu, after I
modified
it to look more like Debian--black letters on white menus screen, window
con-
trols on the top right, etc. (I have done that.) I installed first
Debian and then
Ubuntu, for a class I am taking. There was something that Debian
wouldn't do,

so they switched to Ubuntu. But I already was using PCLOS. One thing I
really _don't_ like about Debian is its fear of the copyright. I really
want

Thunderbird and Firefox, with their familiar icons, on my screen, not the
goofy clones that Debian has come up with.

I tried some version of XFDE--I forget which distro it was on--and I could
not put icons on the desktop. Period. So I put period to that GUI right
then and there. I like to use icons for all the programs I use on a
regular basis. Just like Windows. All the systems I use or have used
allow that. I would never use anything else--might as well go back to DOS!

I am still using PCLinxOs at the moment, and that's the one I would go
with. It has a civilized version of KDE4--at least rev. 2010 does, I
don't know

about the two minor releases since. It has some of the advantages of Debian,
like the Synaptic package manager, and a nice file browser--Dolphin. It
works

with synaptiks scratch-pad controller for laptops, which Debian and Ubuntu
have eliminated in favor of something that doesn't work. Something about
"g-pointing-something" I think it's called. I like KDE a bit better
than GNOME

--at least without all the transparency nonsense, and the weird window stuff
that the late SuSEs and Kubuntu have. I looked at Kubuntu, while I was
looking
for a distro to replace SuSE, and I almost threw up. I was looking to
replace
SuSE 10.1, because it wouldn't play music; none of the SuSEs I have had
ever
would. I looked at Puppy, and Deb, and Ub, and PCLOS, and a couple of
others,

and I decided on PCLOS. It's not perfect--sometimes its mouse won't come
back after hibernation, and I'm still trying to fix that. Also, the
screensaver

daemon dies unexpectedly sometimes, so I have to keep an eye on that.
Other than these foibles, I am quite happy with this distro.

BTW, I don't hate Windows, altho there are some things I really dislike in
it. If I had to choose between Kubuntu and Windows--either XP or 7--
I'd go with Windows in a heartbeat! One must admit that with the s/w
available to it, it can do some things easily that Linux can do only with
difficulty, or in a few cases, not at all--altho that's changing. MS
Word is

only marginally better than OO, f'rinstance, but WordPerfect is better than
both, and is no longer available in a Linux version. AutoCadLT does not
come
on Linux, but I've been fooling with QCad a bit, and it's pretty good,
so far.


Well, you asked. . . .

--doug

Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley


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Old 11-05-2010, 04:30 AM
"Boyd Stephen Smith Jr."
 
Default A question for the list:

In <4CD3921A.5090408@optonline.net>, Doug wrote:
>On 11/04/2010 10:50 PM, ZephyrQ wrote:
>> If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid),
>> which other distribution would you use and why?
>
>One thing I
>really _don't_ like about Debian is its fear of the copyright. I really
>want
>Thunderbird and Firefox, with their familiar icons, on my screen, not the
>goofy clones that Debian has come up with.

It's not a "fear". It's a reality. The Mozilla Foundation contacted Debian
Developers and asked them to come into compliance on the trademark usage
allowances that Mozilla provides.

Debian's choices were: 1. Seek approval from the Mozilla Foundation for *all*
patches. 2. Stop using the trademark.

Choosing #1 basically results in firefox / thunderbird never getting into
stable. Because the lifetime of a Debian release is longer that Mozilla is
willing to support a version of firefox / thunderbird and Debian requires the
ability to apply security updates for the lifetime of a release.

Choosing #2 results in firefox / thunderbind being rebranded iceweasel /
iceowl. They use the same source code as firefox / thunderbird, but they are
configured with the an alternate branding. They may also have a few patches
applied to them that may or may not be approved by Mozilla; you can check the
debian/patches directory in the source package to see what is patched.

Debian did not make the decision lightly or unilaterally.

There is a third choice, I guess: Ship firefox / thunderbird in non-free.
Support for non-free is best-effort, which basically means that if upstream is
willing to fix it then the security team / maintainers will package it. This
basically results in Debian stable's non-free containing software with known
security vulnerabilities that Mozilla is unwilling to fix.
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Old 11-05-2010, 05:12 AM
David Christensen
 
Default A question for the list:

ZephyrQ wrote:

If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid),
which other distribution would you use and why?


Red Hat -- I learned Linux on Red Hat. It worked fine up through
version 7.3. 8 had problems. 9 was worse. Red Hat went commercial and
turned their back on enthusiasts. I switched to Debian.


SuSE -- I've tried SuSE a few times over the years. Administration is
via GUI's. I prefer Bash, Vim, and RCS/CVS.


Ubuntu -- I tried Ubuntu for desktops and as an LTSP server in late
2009. Installation, LTSP, software RAID, and whole drive encryption
were easy, but I ran into video driver problems with LTSP terminals
(older p3 boxes with various outdated video cards). The Ubuntu features
may have saved time if you didn't want to get under the hood, but added
learning curve when you did. There seemed to be more updates and less
stability than Debian.


FreeBSD -- the primary FOSS alternative to GNU/Linux. The BSD
architecture is more stable than Linux and the documentation is solid.
I ran BSD and Linux servers and DOS/ Windows desktops for years. In the
end, Linux won because of GNU (Linux, DJGPP, and Cygwin), malware
resistance, and cost.


Now all my machines are Debian GNU/Linux except for one laptop with
Windows XP/Pro for specific applications.


My domain hosting service was Slackware, then Ubuntu, and now Debian.

HTH,

David


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Old 11-05-2010, 05:51 AM
Stan Hoeppner
 
Default A question for the list:

ZephyrQ put forth on 11/4/2010 9:50 PM:
> If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid),
> which other distribution would you use and why?

What situation are you in that motivates this question?

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Old 11-05-2010, 06:24 AM
Camaleón
 
Default A question for the list:

On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 21:50:07 -0500, ZephyrQ wrote:

> If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid),
> which other distribution would you use and why?

I've using openSUSE for many years... rock solid, mature, a very good -
and skilled- community of users, and perfect for workstation or laptop
use.

The only "but" is they have recently dropped the common support from 24
to 18 months (meaning: after one year and a half you have to upgrade the
whole system to keep getting security patches) and that's a very short
period for using it in a server room.

So for a server usage if I couldn't use Debian I'd propably look into
CentOS or FreeBSD.

Greetings,

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Old 11-05-2010, 06:26 AM
Camaleón
 
Default A question for the list:

On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 23:12:42 -0700, David Christensen wrote:

(...)

> SuSE -- I've tried SuSE a few times over the years. Administration is
> via GUI's. I prefer Bash, Vim, and RCS/CVS.

openSUSE is one of the bests distributions for command line users :-)

(running YasT in ncurses is a pleasure)

Greetings,

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Old 11-05-2010, 06:45 AM
Klistvud
 
Default A question for the list:

Dne, 05. 11. 2010 03:50:07 je ZephyrQ napisal(a):

If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid),
which other distribution would you use and why?


gNewSense.

Failing that, anything from http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html

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Old 11-05-2010, 07:13 AM
Roman Khomasuridze
 
Default A question for the list:

> If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid),

> which other distribution would you use and why?
Occasionally PClinuxOS on desktops, and occasionally CentOS in server room.


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