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Old 10-04-2010, 10:36 AM
David Shum
 
Default Installation issues of Debian 5.0.6 "Lenny"

Hi Klistvud,

Thanks for your replies.

I will try and iterate with more information.

I install Debian Lenny 5.0 (Update 6) using the CD ISO image downloaded from debian.org.* I burn the image to a DVD, put DVD into my Hewlett Packard dv6-3030tx notebook (Intel i5-540M on Intel HM55 chipset), then via the HP BIOS, I boot my DVD drive.* I successfully enter into the splash screen which gives me four options: 1) Install 2) Graphical Install 3) Advanced Options 4) forgot this one...



When I select 1), the installation process jumps to a black screen that displays various messages, with the last message being "kernel panic".* I think this may be the issue when you mentioned that since this may not be the most recent kernel, may be the problem??



Although I will try and search this myself, may I have some clues as to how I can "pull out" this old Linux kernel, and hop into "debian backports" and plug in a newer Linux kernel? Then try and install.



I will also try and install Debian 6.0 Squeeze and see how that goes.* I read that for Squeeze release, there is one for i386 and AMD based on the kFreeBSD kernel.* So, does this mean that future releases will be based on FreeBSD kernel?



Thanks and regards,

David




On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Klistvud <quotations@aliceadsl.fr> wrote:


Dne, 04. 10. 2010 09:28:58 je David Shum napisal(a):




However, I could not install Debian into my Hewlett Packard dv6-3030tx

notebook with a Intel i5-540M processor (dual core). *I have been able to

install Ubuntu 10.04.1 "Lucid Lynx" albeit without the software driver for

the ATI graphics card which causes the operating system to crash.




Debian stable (currently this is Lenny, but will soon be superseded by Squeeze) doesn't come with the most recent kernels, and consequently can be problematic to install on newest hardware (such as, I assume, your laptop is). There are various workarounds you might try to make Debian work on recent hardware though; such as hopping over to debian backports and installing one of their newer kernels; or dropping Lenny and installing Squeeze instead which comes with newer kernels.






I also was able install Debian into this machine I am typing my email on

now, which is an ASRock desktop board based on AMD 880G chipset and AMD

Athlon II X4 640 processor (quad core), but when I loaded the operating

system, the monitor went into screen-saver and froze.






Sounds like a problem with your graphics driver. Single-user (no deskktop) mode probably works; you should try that, and if the machine boots fine into single-user mode, try running the commands lspci and lsusb; if you post the output of these two commands here, somebody might be able to give you further advice.





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Old 10-04-2010, 11:28 AM
Klistvud
 
Default Installation issues of Debian 5.0.6 "Lenny"

Dne, 04. 10. 2010 12:36:20 je David Shum napisal(a):

I install Debian Lenny 5.0 (Update 6) using the CD ISO image
downloaded from
debian.org. I burn the image to a DVD, put DVD into my Hewlett
Packard
dv6-3030tx notebook (Intel i5-540M on Intel HM55 chipset), then via
the HP
BIOS, I boot my DVD drive. I successfully enter into the splash
screen
which gives me four options: 1) Install 2) Graphical Install 3)
Advanced

Options 4) forgot this one...

When I select 1), the installation process jumps to a black screen
that
displays various messages, with the last message being "kernel
panic". I
think this may be the issue when you mentioned that since this may
not be

the most recent kernel, may be the problem??


Or you may just have errors on your DVD ... Also, the installer for x64
won't work on a 32-bit machine (although it would give you a warning
about that, instead of going into "kernel panic" mode). You *are* sure
you have the right installer for your hardware architecture, right?
Specifically: the "ia64" installer is not meant for the usual PC
hardware; "i386" and "x86_64"

are.

Although I will try and search this myself, may I have some clues as
to how
I can "pull out" this old Linux kernel, and hop into "debian
backports" and

plug in a newer Linux kernel? Then try and install.


It was my understanding that you could boot to a command line interface
(virtual terminal in Linux parlance; in Debian it's also called
single-user mode). If you can, first surf to
http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ (from another machine) and
just follow the instructions. Basically, you add a line (as per the
instructions) to the file /etc/apt/sources.list and then issue the
command


aptitude

Once inside aptitude, you select "refresh" to make aptitude register
the new software repository "backports" and then proceed to install a
new kernel from backports. If you're not familiar with aptitude, you
should read a good tutorial on it (or just issue "man aptitude" to read
its manual). Also, selecting just the "right" kernel from backports is
*not* always a trivial matter IMHO, although they are logically named
and numbered. If you're fairly new at this -- or if you can't even boot
to a command line interface -- it would perhaps be easier for you to
simply install Squeeze instead of Lenny? It's your choice really. One
thing I can recommend, if you do try out Squeeze: don't bother with
DVDs (I doubt complete DVDs even exist at this point), just download a
"netinstall" CD image: if you have a working Internet connection, the
installer will pull everything needed off the Internet for you anyway.




I will also try and install Debian 6.0 Squeeze and see how that
goes. I
read that for Squeeze release, there is one for i386 and AMD based on
the
kFreeBSD kernel. So, does this mean that future releases will be
based on

FreeBSD kernel?


No, it only means that besides the Linux kernel, Debian is now capable
of running on the FreeBSD kernel too. Haven't tried it yet though, as I
have never been able to install any of the BSD OSes myself (couldn't
get past the disk "slices" thingy, so I finally gave up).



>
> I also was able install Debian into this machine I am typing my
email on
>> now, which is an ASRock desktop board based on AMD 880G chipset
and AMD
>> Athlon II X4 640 processor (quad core), but when I loaded the
operating

>> system, the monitor went into screen-saver and froze.
>>


Have you tried to boot into single-user mode on this machine?

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Old 10-04-2010, 01:31 PM
Camaleón
 
Default Installation issues of Debian 5.0.6 "Lenny"

El 2010-10-04 a las 21:08 +1100, David Shum escribió:

(resending to the list)

> Hi Camaleon,
>
> I will now try and iterate with more information.
>
> With regards to my attempt to install Debian 5.0.6 "Lenny", I use a boot CD
> based on ISO image downloaded from website. I then boot the CD in my BIOS in
> my Hewlett Packard dv6-3030tx (Intel i5-540M processor in Intel HM55
> chipset), I managed to get to the spash screen that enables me to choose: 1)
> Install 2) Graphical Install 3) Advanced Options and 4) forgot what the
> fourth option was....
>
> When I select either 1) Install or 2) Graphical Install, the installation
> process then goes to a blank screen displaying messages which, at this stage
> of my IT professional life, are too advanced for me to understand, then the
> last line says "kernel panic".

O.k. No need to undertand the error message, but you can always make a
snapshot of the screen and upload to any online service (such
www.picpaste.com) so people can tell you any hint.

> I would love to have provided a JPEG image screenshot of what's happening
> but don't know how to do that in pure command line mode.

A DSC camera (or the one embedded within your mobile phone) will be
suffice ;-)

> I guess the problem lies in the "Kernel panic" message and would like to
> know what is causing it and if it is preventing me from installing Debian
> into the notebook.

There are some parameter you can pass to the kernel but without having
the kernel panic message is hard to tell what would be worth a try.

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Old 10-05-2010, 04:04 AM
David Shum
 
Default Installation issues of Debian 5.0.6 "Lenny"

Hi Klistvud,

Strange! But this time, when I successfully installed Debian 5.0.6 "Lenny" into my AMD 880G chipset with AMD Athlon II x4 processor, and I loaded the OS in normal mode, it went into the desktop, instead of going into screensaver mode and then freezing.

By the way, I do use the proper installation image, for example, in this installation, I use the amd64 64 bit installation for my 64-bit AMD machine, and I use the i386 for my other 64-bit Intel machine.
However, as a side question, has anyone gotten flash to successfully work in 64 bit OS?


As for my HP notebook, I will have to grab a spare 2.5" hard disk and try again and let you know, as I want to keep my warranty on it by having Windows 7 in my original hard disk.

I will also try FreeBSD as I heard it is a very stable OS and can have a GNOME as a desktop environment.


Thanks and regards,

David

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Klistvud <quotations@aliceadsl.fr> wrote:

Dne, 04. 10. 2010 12:36:20 je David Shum napisal(a):




I install Debian Lenny 5.0 (Update 6) using the CD ISO image downloaded from

debian.org. *I burn the image to a DVD, put DVD into my Hewlett Packard

dv6-3030tx notebook (Intel i5-540M on Intel HM55 chipset), then via the HP

BIOS, I boot my DVD drive. *I successfully enter into the splash screen

which gives me four options: 1) Install 2) Graphical Install 3) Advanced

Options 4) forgot this one...



When I select 1), the installation process jumps to a black screen that

displays various messages, with the last message being "kernel panic". *I

think this may be the issue when you mentioned that since this may not be

the most recent kernel, may be the problem??




Or you may just have errors on your DVD ... Also, the installer for x64 won't work on a 32-bit machine (although it would give you a warning about that, instead of going into "kernel panic" mode). You *are* sure you have the right installer for your hardware architecture, right? Specifically: the "ia64" installer is not meant for the usual PC hardware; "i386" and "x86_64"


are.




Although I will try and search this myself, may I have some clues as to how

I can "pull out" this old Linux kernel, and hop into "debian backports" and

plug in a newer Linux kernel? Then try and install.




It was my understanding that you could boot to a command line interface (virtual terminal in Linux parlance; in Debian it's also called single-user mode). If you can, first surf to http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ (from another machine) and just follow the instructions. Basically, you add a line (as per the instructions) to the file /etc/apt/sources.list and then issue the command




aptitude



Once inside aptitude, you select "refresh" to make aptitude register the new software repository "backports" and then proceed to install a new kernel from backports. If you're not familiar with aptitude, you should read a good tutorial on it (or just issue "man aptitude" to read its manual). Also, selecting just the "right" kernel from backports is *not* always a trivial matter IMHO, although they are logically named and numbered. If you're fairly new at this -- or if you can't even boot to a command line interface -- it would perhaps be easier for you to simply install Squeeze instead of Lenny? It's your choice really. One thing I can recommend, if you do try out Squeeze: don't bother with DVDs (I doubt complete DVDs even exist at this point), just download a "netinstall" CD image: if you have a working Internet connection, the installer will pull everything needed off the Internet for you anyway.







I will also try and install Debian 6.0 Squeeze and see how that goes. *I

read that for Squeeze release, there is one for i386 and AMD based on the

kFreeBSD kernel. *So, does this mean that future releases will be based on

FreeBSD kernel?




No, it only means that besides the Linux kernel, Debian is now capable of running on the FreeBSD kernel too. Haven't tried it yet though, as I have never been able to install any of the BSD OSes myself (couldn't get past the disk "slices" thingy, so I finally gave up).





>

> *I also was able install Debian into this machine I am typing my email on

>> now, which is an ASRock desktop board based on AMD 880G chipset and AMD

>> Athlon II X4 640 processor (quad core), but when I loaded the operating

>> system, the monitor went into screen-saver and froze.

>>




Have you tried to boot into single-user mode on this machine?



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Klistvud

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http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com



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Old 10-05-2010, 07:17 AM
Klistvud
 
Default Installation issues of Debian 5.0.6 "Lenny"

Dne, 05. 10. 2010 06:04:20 je David Shum napisal(a):

Hi Klistvud,

Strange! But this time, when I successfully installed Debian 5.0.6
"Lenny"
into my AMD 880G chipset with AMD Athlon II x4 processor, and I
loaded the

OS in normal mode, it went into the desktop, instead of going into
screensaver mode and then freezing.


Good for you!

However, as a side question, has anyone gotten flash to successfully
work in

64 bit OS?


I think there have been rumours that 64-bit flash will be available
again soon (or perhaps already is).



Thanks and regards,

David


You're welcome.

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Old 10-05-2010, 07:22 AM
Greg Madden
 
Default Installation issues of Debian 5.0.6 "Lenny"

On Monday 04 October 2010 23:17:56 Klistvud wrote:

> > However, as a side question, has anyone gotten flash to successfully
> > work in
> > 64 bit OS?
>
> I think there have been rumours that 64-bit flash will be available
> again soon (or perhaps already is).

http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
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Old 10-05-2010, 07:25 AM
Camaleón
 
Default Installation issues of Debian 5.0.6 "Lenny"

On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:04:20 +1100, David Shum wrote:

(...)

> However, as a side question, has anyone gotten flash to successfully
> work in 64 bit OS?

Sure, it is working well.

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Old 10-05-2010, 09:11 AM
Angus Hedger
 
Default Installation issues of Debian 5.0.6 "Lenny"

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:22:03 -0800
Greg Madden <gomadtroll@gci.net> wrote:

>
>
> On Monday 04 October 2010 23:17:56 Klistvud wrote:
>
> > > However, as a side question, has anyone gotten flash to
> > > successfully work in
> > > 64 bit OS?
> >
> > I think there have been rumours that 64-bit flash will be available
> > again soon (or perhaps already is).
>
> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html


Also the flashplugin-nonfree in squeeze now pulls that in.

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