I just started using Debian not too long ago. When I did the install I think
it installed gnome by default, I don't remember.
I run KDE only, yet I have had problems with gnome screensaver taking over,
and other issues. Right now, for instance I did a ps looking for gnome apps,
and got this:
5$ ps -ef|grep gnome
pbc 3914 13068 0 13:19 pts/1 00:00:00 grep gnome
pbc 13053 13028 0 Jan19 ? 00:00:01 gnome-terminal
pbc 13067 13053 0 Jan19 ? 00:00:00 gnome-pty-helper
pbc 13080 1 0 Jan19 ?
00:00:00 /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/gnome-vfs-daemon
pbc 13085 1 0 Jan19 ?
00:00:03 /usr/lib/control-center/gnome-settings-daemon
pbc 13096 1 0 Jan19 ? 00:00:22 gnome-screensaver
pbc 14002 13028 0 Jan19 ? 00:00:00 gnome-terminal
pbc 14005 14002 0 Jan19 ? 00:00:00 gnome-pty-helper


so what can I safely remove from my system and not affect my KDE setup?
gdm ? gnome-desktop??
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On Jan 20, 12:30 pm, Paul Cartwright <a...@pcartwright.com> wrote:

> I run KDE only, yet I have had problems with gnome screensaver taking over,
> and other issues.

> so what can I safely remove from my system and not affect my KDE setup?
> gdm ? gnome-desktop??

I'm no Linux expert, but I've been running Fluxbox for a year and
using Gnome and KDE programs whenever I need them. Why do you feel the
need to remove Gnome? I don't think it uses huge amounts of resources
(unless you have a need for hard disk space). As for individual apps,
like the screensaver, just disable it

http://www.gnome.org/learn/access-guide/latest/ats-6.html

Then if there's a KDE screensaver you like better, use that.

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On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 01:20:42PM -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> I just started using Debian not too long ago. When I did the install I think
> it installed gnome by default, I don't remember.

I think you're right there.

> I run KDE only, yet I have had problems with gnome screensaver taking over,
> and other issues. Right now, for instance I did a ps looking for gnome apps,
> and got this:
> 5$ ps -ef|grep gnome
> pbc 3914 13068 0 13:19 pts/1 00:00:00 grep gnome
> pbc 13053 13028 0 Jan19 ? 00:00:01 gnome-terminal
> pbc 13067 13053 0 Jan19 ? 00:00:00 gnome-pty-helper
> pbc 13080 1 0 Jan19 ?
> 00:00:00 /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/gnome-vfs-daemon
> pbc 13085 1 0 Jan19 ?
> 00:00:03 /usr/lib/control-center/gnome-settings-daemon
> pbc 13096 1 0 Jan19 ? 00:00:22 gnome-screensaver
> pbc 14002 13028 0 Jan19 ? 00:00:00 gnome-terminal
> pbc 14005 14002 0 Jan19 ? 00:00:00 gnome-pty-helper
>
>
> so what can I safely remove from my system and not affect my KDE setup?
> gdm ? gnome-desktop??

Assuming that you currently use gdm to login with, removing gdm isn't as
simple as just "apt-get --purge remove gdm" - you'll end up without a
login manager (!).

So if you're of the KDE persuasion, then you probably want to install
kdm first: apt-get install kdm and tweak
/etc/X11/default-display-mananger accordingly.

I don't know of a way to remove *all* of GNOME, but removing some of the
central GNOME libraries would go a long way:
apt-get remove libgnome2-0
should result in a lot of other packages being removed, as most GNOME
packages will depend (directly or indirectly) on these.

PS: Double-check (and TRIPLE CHECK) the list of packages that apt
suggests removing - you might actually be using some of them! At least
this will give you a list of candidate packages to remove.

Hope this helps

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On Sun January 20 2008, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
> PS: Double-check (and TRIPLE CHECK) the list of packages that apt
> suggests removing - you might actually be using some of them! At least
> this will give you a list of candidate packages to remove.
>
> Hope this helps

thanks,
I've looked at aptitude before when I tried to remove something, and it said "
also removing".. and it was something i NEEDED..
I used to have gimp-print, and it took out that package. without that package
you can't run the Epson inklevel..


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On Sun January 20 2008, Rick Dooling wrote:
> I'm no Linux expert, but I've been running Fluxbox for a year and
> using Gnome and KDE programs whenever I need them. Why do you feel the
> need to remove Gnome? *I don't think it uses huge amounts of resources
> (unless you have a need for hard disk space). As for individual apps,
> like the screensaver, just disable it

its not that I need the space, I just don't like issues such as the
screensaver, where they were competing against each other..
I had the KDE screensaver configured, yet gnome-screensaver was also active.
I'm not sure where else there might be a conflict, I just thought it would be
better without both GDM and KDM around. It will probably hurt more to try to
remove packages, than it will be to troubleshoot issues, so maybe I better
leave well enough alone

thanks

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On Sun January 20 2008, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
> Assuming that you currently use gdm to login with, removing gdm isn't as
> simple as just "apt-get --purge remove gdm" - you'll end up without a
> login manager (!).

when I went to services, I have 2 login managers, both checked as active-kdm
and gdm.

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On 01/20/08 14:24, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> On Sun January 20 2008, Rick Dooling wrote:
>> I'm no Linux expert, but I've been running Fluxbox for a year and
>> using Gnome and KDE programs whenever I need them. Why do you feel the
>> need to remove Gnome? I don't think it uses huge amounts of resources
>> (unless you have a need for hard disk space). As for individual apps,
>> like the screensaver, just disable it
>
> its not that I need the space, I just don't like issues such as the
> screensaver, where they were competing against each other..
> I had the KDE screensaver configured, yet gnome-screensaver was also active.

Purge gnome-screensaver?

You must have thought of that, so I might have missed your comment.

> I'm not sure where else there might be a conflict, I just thought it would be
> better without both GDM and KDM around. It will probably hurt more to try to
> remove packages, than it will be to troubleshoot issues, so maybe I better
> leave well enough alone

There is no law of nature insisting that you run a display manager.
In fact, people (including non-geeks) function quite well without it.

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* Karl E. Jorgensen <karl@jorgensen.org.uk> [2008 Jan 20 13:52 -0600]:

> I don't know of a way to remove *all* of GNOME, but removing some of the
> central GNOME libraries would go a long way:
> apt-get remove libgnome2-0
> should result in a lot of other packages being removed, as most GNOME
> packages will depend (directly or indirectly) on these.

Just keep trying to remove GNOME packages as you find them. the
deborphan package can help.

GNOME is like a virus in that it seems to embed itself rather deeply in
one's installation. I use Aptitude in IU mode as a fine scalpel to
remove what I can of it. Some useful packages like the Gimp use some
GNOME libraries and since there is really no substitute for the Gimp, I
live with it.

- Nate >>

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On Sun January 20 2008, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > its not that I need the space, I just don't like issues such as the
> > screensaver, where they were competing against each other..
> > I had the KDE screensaver configured, yet gnome-screensaver was also
> > active.
>
> Purge gnome-screensaver?

nope, never used purge before.
# Purge gnome-screensaver
bash: Purge: command not found
paulandcilla:/home/pbc# purge gnome-screensaver
bash: purge: command not found
paulandcilla:/home/pbc#

ok, I tried it as you wrote it, and no caps..
oh, wait, you want an aptitude in front.. yeah that works
whats the difference between aptitude remove and aptitude purge? the man page
seems to... miss explaining it.

>
> You must have thought of that, so I might have missed your comment.
>
> > I'm not sure where else there might be a conflict, I just thought it
> > would be better without both GDM and KDM around. It will probably hurt
> > more to try to remove packages, than it will be to troubleshoot issues,
> > so maybe I better leave well enough alone
>
> There is no law of nature insisting that you run a display manager.
> *In fact, people (including non-geeks) function quite well without it.

I have run many window managers, I would run gnome, but I like the KDE apps
better, and my WIFE is comfortable with it, and she HATES when I change
things!
back in my windowz daze, I ran litestep.. of course, since I grew up with DOS
3.11, dosshell and UNIX command line, a window manager is pure fluff


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On 01/20/08 16:32, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Karl E. Jorgensen <karl@jorgensen.org.uk> [2008 Jan 20 13:52 -0600]:
>
>> I don't know of a way to remove *all* of GNOME, but removing some of the
>> central GNOME libraries would go a long way:
>> apt-get remove libgnome2-0
>> should result in a lot of other packages being removed, as most GNOME
>> packages will depend (directly or indirectly) on these.
>
> Just keep trying to remove GNOME packages as you find them. the
> deborphan package can help.
>
> GNOME is like a virus in that it seems to embed itself rather deeply in
> one's installation. I use Aptitude in IU mode as a fine scalpel to
> remove what I can of it. Some useful packages like the Gimp use some
> GNOME libraries and since there is really no substitute for the Gimp, I
> live with it.

# apt-get --purge remove
$(COLUMNS=140 dpkg -l | grep gnome | cut -c4-34)

Then go back and install the stuff you need, like gimp.

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