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Old 08-03-2010, 11:53 PM
Jimmy Johnson
 
Default NUMLOCKX Debian KDE4

Here's the problem, in unstable and testing numlock on, light not on,
numlock off, light on ?!?


I've tried it by removing numlockx and it's config files and numlock
works as expected (OK), but numlock is not on at boot and I won't it on
at boot, checking the box to turn numlock on, will not turn it on at login.


I don't have the problem with kde3/Lenny.

How can I get the light to work proper (light on/numlock on) at boot
without removing numlockx?


A little more info: both testing and unstable are currently using the
same kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 and I think the problem came with the kernel.

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Old 08-04-2010, 06:48 AM
Camaleón
 
Default NUMLOCKX Debian KDE4

On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 16:53:31 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

> Here's the problem, in unstable and testing numlock on, light not on,
> numlock off, light on ?!?
>
> I've tried it by removing numlockx and it's config files and numlock
> works as expected (OK), but numlock is not on at boot and I won't it on
> at boot, checking the box to turn numlock on, will not turn it on at
> login.
>
> I don't have the problem with kde3/Lenny.
>
> How can I get the light to work proper (light on/numlock on) at boot
> without removing numlockx?
>
> A little more info: both testing and unstable are currently using the
> same kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 and I think the problem came with the kernel.

There are some reports in both, Debian BTS and KDE. Check if any of these
apply in your case:

***
/usr/bin/kde4: NumLock led behaves inversely if num lock is turned on
kde4 startup
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533831

Bug 183308 - Numlock Light Indicator Shuts Off After Activation within
KDE 4.2 and Subsequent Log out or Reboot
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183308
***

So maybe a KDE bug/problem? :-?

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Old 08-04-2010, 08:57 AM
Jimmy Johnson
 
Default NUMLOCKX Debian KDE4

Camaleón wrote:

On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 16:53:31 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:


Here's the problem, in unstable and testing numlock on, light not on,
numlock off, light on ?!?

I've tried it by removing numlockx and it's config files and numlock
works as expected (OK), but numlock is not on at boot and I won't it on
at boot, checking the box to turn numlock on, will not turn it on at
login.

I don't have the problem with kde3/Lenny.

How can I get the light to work proper (light on/numlock on) at boot
without removing numlockx?

A little more info: both testing and unstable are currently using the
same kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 and I think the problem came with the kernel.


There are some reports in both, Debian BTS and KDE. Check if any of these
apply in your case:


***
/usr/bin/kde4: NumLock led behaves inversely if num lock is turned on
kde4 startup

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533831

Bug 183308 - Numlock Light Indicator Shuts Off After Activation within
KDE 4.2 and Subsequent Log out or Reboot
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183308

***

So maybe a KDE bug/problem? :-?



I read those bugs and their problem seems to be with KDE and numlock,
while my problem is with numlockx and the latest kernel, it may also
have to do with kde, not sure as it works as expected when I remove
numlockx, kde turns numlock on after login, numlockx turns numlock on
before login and that is what I want.


It is turning numlock on but the status light is off while numlock is on
and the light is on when numlock is off, so the status light is not
working as expected and this seems to have happened since installing the
latest kernel.


Should be a workaround to just change the status of the light!?!
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Old 08-04-2010, 09:51 AM
Jimmy Johnson
 
Default NUMLOCKX Debian KDE4

Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Here's the problem, in unstable and testing numlock on, light not on,
numlock off, light on ?!?


I've tried it by removing numlockx and it's config files and numlock
works as expected (OK), but numlock is not on at boot and I won't it on
at boot, checking the box to turn numlock on, will not turn it on at login.


I don't have the problem with kde3/Lenny.

How can I get the light to work proper (light on/numlock on) at boot
without removing numlockx?


A little more info: both testing and unstable are currently using the
same kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 and I think the problem came with the kernel.



This 12 year old bug
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=482592 describes the
problem, but they think the problem is with a new xorg and I think the
problem is with the new kernel and it also seems numlockx is a orphaned
package. :-(


Anyways the problem can be reproduced, I have the problem on two testing
systems and one unstable system, both are using the same version
numlockx and the same kernel.

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Old 08-04-2010, 10:29 AM
Camaleón
 
Default NUMLOCKX Debian KDE4

On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 01:57:45 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

> Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>> So maybe a KDE bug/problem? :-?
>
>
> I read those bugs and their problem seems to be with KDE and numlock,
> while my problem is with numlockx and the latest kernel, it may also
> have to do with kde, not sure as it works as expected when I remove
> numlockx, kde turns numlock on after login, numlockx turns numlock on
> before login and that is what I want.
>
> It is turning numlock on but the status light is off while numlock is on
> and the light is on when numlock is off, so the status light is not
> working as expected and this seems to have happened since installing the
> latest kernel.

Dunno why are you thinking this is a kernel issue.

- Does the num lock works as expected on tty?
- Does creating a new user and login in a KDE session works?

> Should be a workaround to just change the status of the light!?!

"numlockx" should not be needed anymore in KDE as kdm has an option to
handle that from "kdmrc" config file :-?

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Old 08-31-2010, 09:40 PM
Jimmy Johnson
 
Default NUMLOCKX Debian KDE4

� wrote:

On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 01:57:45 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:


Camaleón wrote:


(...)


So maybe a KDE bug/problem? :-?


I read those bugs and their problem seems to be with KDE and numlock,
while my problem is with numlockx and the latest kernel, it may also
have to do with kde, not sure as it works as expected when I remove
numlockx, kde turns numlock on after login, numlockx turns numlock on
before login and that is what I want.

It is turning numlock on but the status light is off while numlock is on
and the light is on when numlock is off, so the status light is not
working as expected and this seems to have happened since installing the
latest kernel.


Dunno why are you thinking this is a kernel issue.

- Does the num lock works as expected on tty?
- Does creating a new user and login in a KDE session works?



I say numlockx was working fine right before installing the current
kernel and suggest that is a place to look, I now know that it is not a
kde4 problem, I have installed kde3.5 and it has the same problem.


I say that numlock works as expected when numlockx is not installed.

I've reported it to Debian, they say it's not their package or they say
nothing at all. I say it's an orphan package and should be fixed or
pulled, I favor it being fixed because I use it and it will not look
good in Squeeze final. Personally I'm used to the numlock light not
being on as long as numlock is working.


And no, I'm not going to test it with a new user, I already know it's
the same problem on all testing and Sid systems, even on new install, it
can be reproduced.


Should be a workaround to just change the status of the light!?!



"numlockx" should not be needed anymore in KDE as kdm has an option to
handle that from "kdmrc" config file :-?



If you know how to turn the numlock on for login without using numlockx
'please' tell? I already know I can turn it on after login without
using numlockx.



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Old 08-31-2010, 09:56 PM
Camaleón
 
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On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:40:50 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

> � wrote:

>> "numlockx" should not be needed anymore in KDE as kdm has an option to
>> handle that from "kdmrc" config file :-?
>
>
> If you know how to turn the numlock on for login without using numlockx
> 'please' tell? I already know I can turn it on after login without
> using numlockx.

I'm afraid that application is not (should not be) needed nowadays.
So if numlock does not get activated on login screen, you can report that
for kdm package, taking that you are using kdm to handle user login.

Anyway, yo can perform a Google search to find tips on how to bypass that:

http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&source=hp&q=kdmrc+NumLock%3DON&b tnG=Google+Search&fp=7bb5c562e6b4c787

THT.

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Old 09-01-2010, 06:04 AM
Jimmy Johnson
 
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� wrote:

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:40:50 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:


� wrote:



"numlockx" should not be needed anymore in KDE as kdm has an option to
handle that from "kdmrc" config file :-?


If you know how to turn the numlock on for login without using numlockx
'please' tell? I already know I can turn it on after login without
using numlockx.


I'm afraid that application is not (should not be) needed nowadays.
So if numlock does not get activated on login screen, you can report that
for kdm package, taking that you are using kdm to handle user login.


Anyway, yo can perform a Google search to find tips on how to bypass that:

http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&source=hp&q=kdmrc+NumLock%3DON&b tnG=Google+Search&fp=7bb5c562e6b4c787



If you are talking about this solution:

"$ locate kdmrc

Open that file up in a text editor. You will probably need to have
administrator privileges, so press Alt-F2 and type this:

kdesu kwrite /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc

In that file, find the first section that begins:

[X-*-Greeter]

Right after that line, add this:

NumLock=On

Save the file and quit. To see your changes, you might need to restart KDM."

If that solution ever did work, it now no longer works.

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Old 09-01-2010, 06:41 AM
Camaleón
 
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On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 23:04:12 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

> � wrote:

>> I'm afraid that application is not (should not be) needed nowadays. So
>> if numlock does not get activated on login screen, you can report that
>> for kdm package, taking that you are using kdm to handle user login.
>>
>> Anyway, yo can perform a Google search to find tips on how to bypass
>> that:
>>
>> http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&source=hp&q=kdmrc+NumLock%
3DON&btnG=Google+Search&fp=7bb5c562e6b4c787
>
>
> If you are talking about this solution:

Not just one tip, I've seen many...

> "$ locate kdmrc
>
> Open that file up in a text editor. You will probably need to have
> administrator privileges, so press Alt-F2 and type this:
>
> kdesu kwrite /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
>
> In that file, find the first section that begins:
>
> [X-*-Greeter]
>
> Right after that line, add this:
>
> NumLock=On
>
> Save the file and quit. To see your changes, you might need to restart
> KDM."
>
> If that solution ever did work, it now no longer works.

That path was for KDE3, but I guess you are on KDE4.

> Nice try.

If none tips works, then you can open a bug report. The fact is that what
you are looking for is already contemplated. If does not work for you,
you should report it.

***
http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-workspace/kdm/kdm-files.html#kdmrc-greeter

NumLock
What to do with the Num Lock modifier for the time the greeter is running:

Off
turn off

On
turn on

Keep
do not change the state

The default is “Keep”.
***

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