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"giovanni_re" 07-29-2010 09:24 PM

Keyboard text - how get basic encoding? Not US-Intl? "%20" not space. Where change after install? KUbuntu ; jor Debian
 
Sending this to the Debian list, because of the likely involvement of
the Debian text mode "alternate" installer.

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KUbuntu 10.4 on ~2004 Compaq laptop, using "alternate" installer cd. In
the USA, probably a USA build type of laptop keyboard. This is probably
the text mode installer from the debian project, used by the Ubuntu
distro.


Is there a way, & if so what is it, to change something, on this already
installed system (ie, without having to do another complete install),
perhaps the "keyboard" type settings, to eliminate the extra characters
that are encoded into text, & the extra characters that must be typed to
get various punctuation?

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I've been installing Linuxes for more than 10 years. I don't know what
has changed, but recently, on the above mentioned laptop, I wasn't able,
with several different install attempts, to get just the regular simple
(ASCII?) text encoding setup.

During the install, it asks something like "Do you want to have the
keyboard detected, or select a type?". IIRC, I tried both ways, but
couldn't figure out what to do to get the simple text coding.

The "detect" method asks that I press several keys, like '"', etc. "Is
there a key labled 'whatever'?" it asks, for about 10 times, often with
non-US English characters - ex, like for various European languages,
that include special accents on the visual character.

I can't recall now the options for "select the kbd style", but one i
recall was like "US-Intl" (I don't recall if that was what i chose or
not). Maybe there was also a simple "US", but I don't think so.


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Anyway, with the current install, I have to type '" ' - {double quote,
space} to get a single double quote character to appear. If I press the
double quote key twice in a row, I get something like a slightly
different than normal double quote character appearing in the text -
perhaps thinner, or italicized?

And, often a "space" character, entered into a file name for file save
in firefox, will wind up like something like "%20" in the file name.


Also, note the "&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8" from the google search url
reference below. - Is that giving an indication about this situation?


==
What is a one sentence description of the essence of this keyboard
issue?

What do you suspect is the proper name for the type of keyboard layout
this laptop has?

Does the current keyboard selection method have a bug? Any idea why
this is occurring now, & I haven't had this problem ever before? - Ie,
was something changed recently in the Keyboard detection method?

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So, apparently, whatever method I finally did on the setup on this
laptop (done several months ago, so I don't recall the exact steps I
took then), gave me the wrong settings.

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So, is there a way to change some parameter somewhere in the system to
tell it the proper keyboard setting to use, so
1) it isn't necessary to type the extra "space" to get the correct
punctuation characters, &
2) so the extraneous control characters don't show up when merely typing
a simple "space" character between words?


Thanks :)


== References:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=linux+keyboard+type+ubuntu&btnG=Sea rch
http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=linux+keyboard+t ype&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8


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Klistvud 07-29-2010 09:54 PM

Keyboard text - how get basic encoding? Not US-Intl? "%20" not space. Where change after install? KUbuntu ; jor Debian
 
Dne, 29. 07. 2010 23:24:19 je giovanni_re napisal(a):
KUbuntu 10.4 on ~2004 Compaq laptop, using "alternate" installer cd.
In


recently, on the above mentioned laptop, I wasn't able,
with several different install attempts, to get just the regular
simple

(ASCII?) text encoding setup.



The first thing I'd do, I'd rule out the possibility of your laptop's
keyboard dying, by firing up a live distro CD or two and pressing
various keys to see their output. Other than that, the recent versions
of Ubuntu have been jumping through hoops to shorten boot time. They
achieved excellent speeds (at least judging from their lightning-fast
"live" CDs), but some hardware recognition routines just *might* have
gotten borked in the process ...


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Eduardo M KALINOWSKI 07-30-2010 01:00 PM

Keyboard text - how get basic encoding? Not US-Intl? "%20" not space. Where change after install? KUbuntu ; jor Debian
 
On Qui, 29 Jul 2010, giovanni_re wrote:

I can't recall now the options for "select the kbd style", but one i
recall was like "US-Intl" (I don't recall if that was what i chose or
not). Maybe there was also a simple "US", but I don't think so.


US-Intl is a keyboard that has the standard US layout
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KB_United_States-NoAltGr.svg) but
some keys are changed to be able to type other characters. For
example, ' is a "dead key" used to type the acute accent: press ' and
then a and you get .


It's useful for people with a US keyboard that need to type other
languages, and they are (or at least were) popular in other countries:
until a few years ago, here in Brazil almost all keyboards had the US
layout, so the US-Intl map was used to be able to type the accented
characters.


If you have no need for accented and other special characters, just
select the standard US keyboard, not US-Intl.



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"giovanni_re" 07-30-2010 04:22 PM

Keyboard text - how get basic encoding? Not US-Intl? "%20" not space. Where change after install? KUbuntu ; jor Debian
 
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:00:39 -0300, "Eduardo M KALINOWSKI"
<eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> said:
> On Qui, 29 Jul 2010, giovanni_re wrote:
> > I can't recall now the options for "select the kbd style", but one i
> > recall was like "US-Intl" (I don't recall if that was what i chose or
> > not). Maybe there was also a simple "US", but I don't think so.
>
> US-Intl is a keyboard that has the standard US layout
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KB_United_States-NoAltGr.svg) but
> some keys are changed to be able to type other characters. For
> example, ' is a "dead key" used to type the acute accent: press ' and
> then a and you get .

Thanks - that description sounds like my situation.

>
> It's useful for people with a US keyboard that need to type other
> languages, and they are (or at least were) popular in other countries:
> until a few years ago, here in Brazil almost all keyboards had the US
> layout, so the US-Intl map was used to be able to type the accented
> characters.
>
> If you have no need for accented and other special characters, just
> select the standard US keyboard, not US-Intl.

Do you have any idea where the keyboard parameter is set(s) from the
debian alternate installer? In which files?

Any idea of which debian mail list is for the debian installer related
discussion? - That being where it is likely someone familiar with the
specifics of this issue might see & respond to this issue.


Thanks :)

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Eduardo M KALINOWSKI 07-30-2010 04:30 PM

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On Sex, 30 Jul 2010, giovanni_re wrote:

Do you have any idea where the keyboard parameter is set(s) from the
debian alternate installer? In which files?


Debian does not have an "alternate" installer. If you are thinking
Ubuntu, you may need to ask on the Ubuntu lists/forum.


As for Debian itself, one of the first steps in installing Debian
(text or graphical mode - since they're essentially the same, only the
way the widgets are displayed really changes) is the selection of
keyboard map. Just select the basic US keyboard.



Any idea of which debian mail list is for the debian installer related
discussion? - That being where it is likely someone familiar with the
specifics of this issue might see & respond to this issue.


There is a list for the Debian installer:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/ However, your specific problem
seems a non-issue.


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